orion Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Midland Red said: Those would be the fans who find it difficult or impossible to attend on a Monday or a Thursday, when their regular night was a Friday or Saturday, and they and their kids could attend The fixed nights only really suited fans of teams who always used to race on a Monday or a Thursday - and of course those teams didn’t ride on both nights, so even then some (say) Thursday regulars would be missing on the Monday, and vice versa No points having fixed race nights if riders are going to be missing on the nights you go on about that was the whole idea .. Friday and Sat have little affect on crowds anymore the stats show you that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, iainb said: I think FRN has worked... They're just on the wrong nights we cant use tues weds or fri that leaves Monday and Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 hours ago, iainb said: So again... In which sport other than Speedway do the away team get more league points for a draw than the home team? ... Apology accepted In which other sports do home teams enjoy the type of home advantage that speedway teams do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 hours ago, BWitcher said: Agreed to an extent, but then rugby has similar rules to speedway Really. In rugby you can deliberately put your opponent on the floor. Not sure too many referees would allow this in speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 The biggest issue is the lack of riders available.... If you look at my suggestion of having a Super League of 12 clubs with a commonwealth reserve at no.7 all season To fill the 6 places without the no.7 would be 12 x 6 = 72 riders I've just about managed to name 72 exactly on the list below..... Aarnio Allen Andersen H Andersen K Auty Ayres Bacon Barker Batchelor Bates Becker Bellego Berge Bewley Bjerre K Bjerre L Clegg Cook Covatti Doolan Douglas Doyle Ellis Etheridge Fricke Gappmaier Garrity Grajczonek Harris Heeps Holder C Holder J Howarth Iversen Jakobsen Jensen R Jonasson Jorgensen Kennett Kerr King Klindt Kurtz B Kurtz T Lambert R Lawson Lidsey Masters Morris N Musielak Newman Nicholls Ostergaard Palm Toft Palovaara Pickering Pieszcezek Porsing Proctor Riss E Schlein Stewart Summers Thorsell Tungate Vissing Wells Wethers Wilson-Deab Worral R Worral S Wright Then I have said name 16 no.7's and clubs can pick one each and 4 would be left as "reserves" to cover injury etc. and obviously ride in the NL I have managed to come up with 18 names Sarjeant Perks Wajtknecht Shanes Nielsen Morris A Flint Hume Wood Bowtell Bickley Mountain Thomas Greaves Smith Kennedy Kemp Rowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 56 minutes ago, orion said: What nights would you have gone for ? knowing that the top league can't used weekends Ahh... Well this is where I would have broken away from the other countries. We're currently rock bottom and something drastic needed/needs doing. I would have gone for Friday and Saturday night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, DC2 said: In which other sports do home teams enjoy the type of home advantage that speedway teams do? I don't know, that's not my point. My point is a draw is a draw... Except in Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: The biggest issue is the lack of riders available.... If you look at my suggestion of having a Super League of 12 clubs with a commonwealth reserve at no.7 all season To fill the 6 places without the no.7 would be 12 x 6 = 72 riders I've just about managed to name 72 exactly on the list below..... Aarnio Allen Andersen H Andersen K Auty Ayres Bacon Barker Batchelor Bates Becker Bellego Berge Bewley Bjerre K Bjerre L Clegg Cook Covatti Doolan Douglas Doyle Ellis Etheridge Fricke Gappmaier Garrity Grajczonek Harris Heeps Holder C Holder J Howarth Iversen Jakobsen Jensen R Jonasson Jorgensen Kennett Kerr King Klindt Kurtz B Kurtz T Lambert R Lawson Lidsey Masters Morris N Musielak Newman Nicholls Ostergaard Palm Toft Palovaara Pickering Pieszcezek Porsing Proctor Riss E Schlein Stewart Summers Thorsell Tungate Vissing Wells Wethers Wilson-Deab Worral R Worral S Wright Then I have said name 16 no.7's and clubs can pick one each and 4 would be left as "reserves" to cover injury etc. and obviously ride in the NL I have managed to come up with 18 names Sarjeant Perks Wajtknecht Shanes Nielsen Morris A Flint Hume Wood Bowtell Bickley Mountain Thomas Greaves Smith Kennedy Kemp Rowe Interesting list - well done How many of those couldn’t race in the UK on a Friday and Saturday night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't know, that's not my point. My point is a draw is a draw... Except in Speedway Or other sports as has already been pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 The basic mentality of your average speedway fan is summed up on this thread. We want the old bonus pt system back. Why? Because it kept meetings interesting. So they advocate scrapping a system that keeps meetings more interesting than than the old 'bonus pt' system ever did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Midland Red said: Serious question - in what way was it flawed? It suited those with a bigger home track advantage. I never really had a problem with it, but if you ask most what it's purpose was the answer will be to keep interest in a meeting alive (score wise) for longer.. Well the current system does that far better. Where they shot themselves in the foot is scrapping the extra pt a home team got for winning by more than 6.. now 46-44 is as good as 49-41. The reasoning being home fans supposedly went home unhappy if they missed out on the extra pt after winning a meeting.... Edited September 5, 2019 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't know, that's not my point. My point is a draw is a draw... Except in Speedway No. In rugby, if one team gets four tries and the other team does not, but the match is drawn, the first team gets 3 points and the other 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DC2 said: No. In rugby, if one team gets four tries and the other team does not, but the match is drawn, the first team gets 3 points and the other 2. It's already been explained to him, but it's to no avail. He's already admitted he gets confused between the numbers 6 and 7 so there isn't much hope getting any reasoning from him other than.. "It's ridiculous". He might spin you a yarn about a full pub rolling around the floor in laughter when he mentioned the speedway scoring system one night to back up his "Ridiculous" and "In what other sport" claim... Edited September 5, 2019 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Regarding the topic of the thread... when has there ever been an AGM where 'Big Decisions' weren't needed and it wasn't 'one of the most important ever'.. It's been nigh on every season for decades. Edited September 5, 2019 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, DC2 said: No. In rugby, if one team gets four tries and the other team does not, but the match is drawn, the first team gets 3 points and the other 2. They're bonus points... As already discussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, iainb said: They're bonus points... As already discussed Well, a speedway draw gives 1 point to each team, plus a bonus point for the away team. Does that help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, BWitcher said: It's already been explained to him, but it's to no avail. He's already admitted he gets confused between the numbers 6 and 7 so there isn't much hope getting any reasoning from him other than.. "It's ridiculous". He might spin you a yarn about a full pub rolling around the floor in laughter when he mentioned the speedway scoring system one night to back up his "Ridiculous" and "In what other sport" claim... Again, if you'd read it properly you'd see that I'm not confused by it... I just can't remember it. What does confuse me is whether you can't read properly or can't think properly... I'm beginning to think it's probably both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, DC2 said: Well, a speedway draw gives 1 point to each team, plus a bonus point for the away team. Does that help? It maybe semantics but it is fact. In Speedway it's league points in the other sports mentioned they're bonus points, for reaching set goals during a match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, Midland Red said: Interesting list - well done How many of those couldn’t race in the UK on a Friday and Saturday night? I would imagine quite a few couldn't race on a Friday or Saturday night If this is the way British speedway wants to go then there will be about 6 clubs left battling it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, iainb said: It maybe semantics but it is fact. In Speedway it's league points in the other sports mentioned they're bonus points, for reaching set goals during a match Hey, don’t let the little things in life worry you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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