noggin Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, jenga said: you missed out Busters blood vessel ! Special Brew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 The BSPA are no different now than decades ago. The promoters independently look after themselves with no vision of a long term future for the Sport as a whole. I despair for the future of the Sport 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 If they increase the number of teams are they going to reduce the already low team average limit, Swindon are one of the 4 teams over this years limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, jenga said: you missed out Busters blood vessel ! That comes just after Busters Busted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Gunner85 said: The BSPA are no different now than decades ago. The promoters independently look after themselves with no vision of a long term future for the Sport as a whole. I despair for the future of the Sport Spot on Gunner. And will things change for next year...NO! Sadly the sport is in terminal decline....and there’s nothing they will or can do to save it. The future of british club speedway is bleak, very bleak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 It needs a fresh pair of eyes and a completely new approach. None of very, very few of those currently promoting in the UK can deliver what is needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 They tried that a few years back when JC was adopted on to the board. He wanted to change the World, they didn’t want him to. He left pdq as it was like banging ya head against a brick wall. They always know best, hence the state of British Speedway today. Things either go forwards or backwards, they seldom stand still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, semion said: They tried that a few years back when JC was adopted on to the board. He wanted to change the World, they didn’t want him to. He left pdq as it was like banging ya head against a brick wall. They always know best, hence the state of British Speedway today. Things either go forwards or backwards, they seldom stand still. It's their way or no way I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 The trouble is everyone wants to be a winner! The Premier is geared for tv and all other clubs suffer. Likelihood of a NL next season is difficult to see with so few teams unless a revamp of the league system is undertaken. Its time to look at the pro and semi pro argument of 2 leagues imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurRudge Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 I believe Speedway in this country will die and can't see it still about in 10 yrs to cum 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ArthurRudge said: I believe Speedway in this country will die and can't see it still about in 10 yrs to cum It will eventually end up like grasstrack, with a few amateur and club meetings run occasionally at weekends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, ArthurRudge said: I believe Speedway in this country will die and can't see it still about in 10 yrs to cum There is certainly no way, in my book, that it will make it's Centenary ( unless it bends the rules and moves that to 1923 and not 1928 ). We know that the BSPA are capable of that. Perhaps 1923 will be a "guest" year! Edited September 24, 2019 by waytogo28 correction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 On 9/5/2019 at 7:39 AM, Sidney the robin said: With the season nearly over in November there has to be discussion and changes will it happen though.? I am not hopeful to be honest i hope i am wrong the three thing's i would like to see happen are. 1./ at least 10 teams in the Premiership ( pref 12) 2./ Premiership and Championship teams to have at least one young Brit at reserve. 3/.Riders to have one average only including bonus points not a rolling average changing only at the last day of every month any thoughts.!! The supporters have been saying this for years , and ther BSPA have not listened , I can't see this year being any different . name change of the leagues perhaps . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, waytogo28 said: There is certainly no way, in my book, that it will make it's Centenary ( unless it bends the rules and moves that to 1923 and not 1928 ). We know that the BSPA are capable of that. Perhaps 1923 will be a "guest" year! Let's hope they don't +5% to it as that will be another 96 years before they get there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 12 hours ago, cityrebel said: It will eventually end up like grasstrack, with a few amateur and club meetings run occasionally at weekends. That will be pretty much the end game won't it? Similar to the US and Aussie where riders go around from event to event... Mainly made up of UK riders.. The best UK riders will still be riding abroad earning decent coin in well ran leagues, but for the majority it will be a semi pro (at best) standard with, in the main, riders using it as an exciting paid hobby, similar to how so many do in MX and Road Racing.. Unless of course the UK decides to run its leagues like proper sports do and delivers radical changes... Not a chance of that though as we know.. Has someone told Richard Lawson where he is on Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, mikebv said: That will be pretty much the end game won't it? Similar to the US and Aussie where riders go around from event to event... Mainly made up of UK riders.. The best UK riders will still be riding abroad earning decent coin in well ran leagues, but for the majority it will be a semi pro (at best) standard with, in the main, riders using it as an exciting paid hobby, similar to how so many do in MX and Road Racing.. Unless of course the UK decides to run its leagues like proper sports do and delivers radical changes... Not a chance of that though as we know.. Has someone told Richard Lawson where he is on Saturday? With the present incumbents running the show, it's hard to see any other outcome. Speedway desperately needs some professional people to help pull it out from the abyss. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 The inability of the UK to produce enough riders who can hold their own on the world stage must have a correlation to our current state. Shipping in riders at vast expense has seen a deterioration in our leagues and hastened its demise. We don't get the crowds that imo justified paying large sums of money to riders of sometimes average standard because they came from Poland or somewhere else and therefore must be good. We haven’t or didn’t want to encourage youth and were too busy putting on a show that supporters said they must have to justify their attendance. Whilst I supported Rye House who encouraged youth and lived within their means (until you know who took over) I would read about other teams supporters saying we must have so and so riding because I won’t go otherwise! We now have a situation where the sport is maintained by the need for the majority of riders to fill 2 team places to enable the leagues to survive. Another reason for the decline of the sport. It is probably true to say that the sport will continue to contract as stadiums are gobbled up by redevelopment and an ageing attendance. How long it will last is really down to this and the people who put their livelihoods at risk to bring us the entertainment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, cityrebel said: With the present incumbents running the show, it's hard to see any other outcome. Speedway desperately needs some professional people to help pull it out from the abyss. Gone way beyond that. No-one truly professional would take it on, having looked closely at it as a project. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Gone way beyond that. No-one truly professional would take it on, having looked closely at it as a project. The sport (in the UK), is now no more than a conduit for riders to earn the kind of money that justifies their outlay on kit... A system devised to provide as many rides as possible for individuals, with scant regards to the impact this has on any credible status of each league or the teams within them.. It won't change now I would suggest, as it cannot given how long this situation has been allowed to fester.. Basically riders riding for whoever, whenever, is an integral part of the business plan, and operating model, which then facilitates their participation in the sport in the UK.. Too many teams? Not enough riders? Either way, that scenario isn't going to be fixed anytime soon unless they try six or even five man teams initially to give themselves some head room to deliver a much more fit for purpose longer term plan.. No breath is being held waiting for that to happen I would suspect.. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, waytogo28 said: Gone way beyond that. No-one truly professional would take it on, having looked closely at it as a project. Agreed with both. The calibre of people running the show = Buster Godfrey & Co are tbh useless. They couldn’t run a bath. They have proved to be totally incompetent. And before someone says that’s harsh take a look at the state of our sport. It’s completely knackered. Anyone who is anyone wouldn’t touch Speedway with a 20’ barge pole. More pain to come for fans and clubs that’s for sure. Edited September 24, 2019 by Speedtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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