RS50 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, iainb said: It quite clearly states: "five points apiece if a match is drawn" case closed Cricket scenario simply explained. If teams draw they get 5 points. However unlike any other sport a draw does not mean both sides finished equally. It means they did not finish at all. In cricket if you finish equally it is a tie, unlike snooker where a tie is what the players wear round their neck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, RS50 said: Cricket scenario simply explained. If teams draw they get 5 points. However unlike any other sport a draw does not mean both sides finished equally. It means they did not finish at all. In cricket if you finish equally it is a tie, unlike snooker where a tie is what the players wear round their neck. One can only hope BWitcher is having the same debate on the British Cricket Forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, iainb said: One can only hope BWitcher is having the same debate on the British Cricket Forum Like you said, let it go. You won’t get the time back and you’re best advised to rise above it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, iainb said: One can only hope BWitcher is having the same debate on the British Cricket Forum He wasn't arguing in support of you, but against you. Read on what happens when there is a tie... Or indeed a tie-break.. There would be no such debate on a British Cricket Forum, unless there was someone making their own rules up. Edited September 6, 2019 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Skidder1 said: League speedway is effectively 15 heats of Pairs racing. I think the race points in each heat should be 4;3;2;0 with a tactical substitution of a pair (2 riders) if a team goes 14 points down. I've always believed this is the way to go since it was introduced for the 84 pairs. (Got a kiss off Sammy Fox. Ahh memories!) It would make riders take better care of their equipment, knowing they'll lose the heat if they stop...No tac subs though, never liked 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, DC2 said: Like you said, let it go. You won’t get the time back and you’re best advised to rise above it. There is no 'rising above' when you are wrong, have been told so, explained by multiple members of the forum, yet continue to troll and throw insults. Rising above is holding your hands up, saying I got this one wrong and moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, BWitcher said: There is no 'rising above' when you are wrong, have been told so, explained by multiple members of the forum, yet continue to troll and throw insults. Rising above is holding your hands up, saying I got this one wrong and moving on. Go to bed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Bavarian said: Your points system in British League speedway is well and truely unique. I don't like it. No other speedway league in the rest of the world needs such a complex points system. I'd recommend You to adopt the Polish League system as much as is possible. It is simple and it works perfectly well. All their tracks are similar, ours aren't, hence our points system, it's fair .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 Maybe instead of helmet covers they could "Tron" the bikes up with the use of LED's, red, blue, white, yellow/green That could look quite spectacular for little cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 Electric speedway bikes.....it’s the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) On 9/6/2019 at 10:09 PM, Bavarian said: Your points system in British League speedway is well and truely unique. I don't like it. No other speedway league in the rest of the world needs such a complex points system. I'd recommend You to adopt the Polish League system as much as is possible. It is simple and it works perfectly well. Has the complex scoring system for league points actually altered anything in the final table? Would positions change in the table if it were two points for a win, one for a draw? If not, why be complicated? Edited September 8, 2019 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/7/2019 at 1:24 PM, topaz325 said: Electric speedway bikes.....it’s the future Electricity and bikes probably, sadly not too sure about speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, moxey63 said: Has the complex scoring system for league points actually altered anything in the final table? Would positions change in the table if it were two points for a win, one for a draw? If not, why be complicated? It isn't complicated. Whether it alters the league table isn't really the point, it's a system that actually... for once.. offers better value to the paying spectator as they get more meaningful races in more meetings. Edited September 8, 2019 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: It isn't complicated. And it makes more meetings more interesting for longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, BWitcher said: It isn't complicated. Whether it alters the league table isn't really the point, it's a system that actually... for once.. offersbetter value to the paying spectator as they get more meaningful races in more meetings. I know you like disagreeing with people, BWitcher, but how does it offer better value and more meaningful races? The league table stays the same, so fans are being sold an empty bottle of fresh air. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) I have just worked out last season's table on the 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw. The one change is in mid-table, where Poole beat Belle Vue into third place on the complicated current system (merely on race-points). In contrast, on the easier to understand 2 points for a win method, 1 for a draw, last year Belle Vue would have gained the third spot by a match point over Poole. The table stays the same otherwise, nothing else changes. King's Lynn would have still had a six-point lead at the top of the table. Although positions don't change, the gap in points do. And I thought we wanted closer league tables. For example, Last year Swindon missed out on the play-off places by 9 points on the complicated current system. If the two points for a win method was used, that gap would be just three points. 2018 table King's Lynn 33 (2 pts for a win) compared to 53 (complicated way) Somerset 27 to 47 Poole 25 to 44 Belle Vue 26 to 44 Swindon 22 to 35 Wolverhampton 21 to 34 Leicester 14 to 23 I think the BSPA is fooling some to believe they're getting value for money. Edited September 8, 2019 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: And it makes more meetings more interesting for longer. Yep, was editing my post just as you made yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 49 minutes ago, moxey63 said: I know you like disagreeing with people, BWitcher, but how does it offer better value and more meaningful races? The league table stays the same, so fans are being sold an empty bottle of fresh air. I'm not disagreeing with anyone, this isn't a matter of 'opinion'. It's factual. No they aren't being sold an empty bottle of 'fresh air' at all, quite the opposite. The league table is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, moxey63 said: I have just worked out last season's table on the 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw. The one change is in mid-table, where Poole beat Belle Vue into third place on the complicated current system (merely on race-points). In contrast, on the easier to understand 2 points for a win method, 1 for a draw, last year Belle Vue would have gained the third spot by a match point over Poole. The table stays the same otherwise, nothing else changes. King's Lynn would have still had a six-point lead at the top of the table. Although positions don't change, the gap in points do. And I thought we wanted closer league tables. For example, Last year Swindon missed out on the play-off places by 9 points on the complicated current system. If the two points for a win method was used, that gap would be just three points. 2018 table King's Lynn 33 (2 pts for a win) compared to 53 (complicated way) Somerset 27 to 47 Poole 25 to 44 Belle Vue 26 to 44 Swindon 22 to 35 Wolverhampton 21 to 34 Leicester 14 to 23 I think the BSPA is fooling some to believe they're getting value for money. Again utterly irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Again utterly irrelevant. OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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