1948 Queries

[iris123]

I’d imagine even less are interested in Stock Cars, but it never stops you. Anyway this section is specifically for years gone by. Anyone not interested will just avoid it. 

Easy 

[chunky]

28 minutes ago, gustix said:

 

I don't detract in anyway that if a person wants to present details of past speedway results that is their right to do so. All I am trying to highlight is why when overall interest in British speedway is albeit sadly diminishing. How many speedway followers want accurate results for say the 1947 season? Very few IMO. I would estimate that most of those who use the BSF are only interested in modern times. Again if Dave Allen wants to create accurate results for past seasons 'all strength to his elbow' for that. But as I see it the majority of BSF users only want to know about present time speedway and its happenings.

So what you are saying is that, if it's important to YOU, it is important; if it ISN'T important to you, then it's not worthwhile? In other words, you think people should be interested in your "memories", but not in accurate records of the sport?

Does it matter if the majority of BSF users are only interested in present-time speedway? As long as they get the info that they want, then fine, but that doesn't mean that the rest of us - and there are quite a number of us - should be deprived of discussions here. That is why we have a "Years Gone By" forum.

With ANY sport, I think that it is wonderful to have an accurate record of things, whether it is results, names, rules, or whatever. Anyway, if you are that worried about "majority vs minority", and that the majority should be the only ones to get what they want, then there shouldn't even be a bloody British Speedway Forum!

I truly appreciate and value the efforts of those who attempt to provide detailed records...

Steve

[norbold]

1 hour ago, gustix said:

 

I would estimate that most of those who use the BSF are only interested in modern times...as I see it the majority of BSF users only want to know about present time speedway and its happenings.

On the top page of the "Years Gone By" section of this Forum, there are no fewer than 10 new threads started by you.

[chunky]

44 minutes ago, norbold said:

On the top page of the "Years Gone By" section of this Forum, there are no fewer than 10 new threads started by you.

  

[iris123]

1 hour ago, norbold said:

On the top page of the "Years Gone By" section of this Forum, there are no fewer than 10 new threads started by you.

Most withut a reply, unless gustix replies to himself. So maybe he does have a point, and nobody is interested ? at least in what he posts !!!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, norbold said:

On the top page of the "Years Gone By" section of this Forum, there are no fewer than 10 new threads started by you.

Gosh! I have been busy. Most of them are feature type items that do not in any case require a response because these items are retrospective memory feature-type pieces rather than debatable subjects.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Guest

[BL65]

Points to consider

It has been estimated that most of those who use the BSF are only interested in modern times.  I imagine there is no data to quantify or substantiate this view.  However, is that relevant?  Is Dave Allan checking and compiling information in order to eventually share only with members of the forum?  Maybe the purpose behind the research which he is doing is to tidy up and add to information already compiled, or in the process of being accumulated elsewhere, i.e. on the Speedway Researcher website.  Those people who look at the information on the Speedway Researcher website are surely not confined to membership of this forum.  I wonder what proportion the members of the forum amount to out of all of those people who have a current or past interest in the sport and do (or may at some point in the future) refer to the Speedway Researcher website.  Also, the Speedway Researcher has the stated aim of ‘Promoting Research into the History of Speedway and Dirt Track Racing’.  It covers the sport from its introduction in the UK until the present time.  The website will, therefore, no doubt be of interest to a proportion of current followers of the sport, even if only in some instances for very recent years.  It is important to observe that what happens today becomes tomorrow’s ‘history’. 

Regarding the accuracy of detail, if something is worth doing then it is worth doing well.  If nothing is recorded for posterity in an easily accessible format purely because it is ‘too old’ then, taking extreme examples, future followers of the sport would have a less clear idea of the number of times an individual won titles or a team won cups or championships.  Future participants could have less-clear ideas as to how much they needed to achieve if they aspired to become more successful than past competitors.  Debates often take place about whether a rider was better than a rival, or which rider achieved more in the course of their career.  Throughout its history the sport has been founded on numbers and statistics, whether match points, individual meetings where qualifiers or winners have to accumulate most points at some stage, or regarding averages.  Long before the system of points limits for team building purposes was introduced, averages were used to determine which riders would be at reserve or named as supplementary reserve in a team.  Statistics, whether the number of points scored or averages achieved, allow comparisons to be drawn.  They form a useful basis for reasoned debate.  The more accurate the recorded information is the more likely it is that reasoned opinion can be supported by interpretation of fact.

It could be interpreted that there appears to be an isolated misconception that Dave Allan is merely sharing information, where he has noted inaccuracies or absence of detail, for the purpose of ‘educating’ forum members, whereas it is inescapable that what he is actually doing is seeking the support of forum members (through the designated ‘Years Gone By’ section) in attempting to correct such inaccuracies and obtain the required information.

Edited August 30, 2019 by BL65

[chunky]

39 minutes ago, gustix said:

Gosh! I have been busy. Most of them are feature type items that do not in any case require a response because these items are retrospective memory feature-type pieces rather than debatable subjects.

So, judging by these comments of yours, can I deduce that :

1) You really have no idea of what you are or aren't posting?

2) Memory feature-type pieces are of more interest - and perhaps more valuable - than debatable subjects that require a response?

[chunky]

31 minutes ago, BL65 said:

Points to consider

1) It has been estimated that most of those who use the BSF are only interested in modern times.  I imagine there is no data to quantify or substantiate this view.  However, is that relevant?

2) Those people who look at the information on the Speedway Researcher website are surely not confined to membership of this forum.  Also, the Speedway Researcher has the stated aim of ‘Promoting Research into the History of Speedway and Dirt Track Racing’.  It covers the sport from its introduction in the UK until the present time. 

3) The more accurate the recorded information is the more likely it is that reasoned opinion can be supported by interpretation of fact.

4) what he is actually doing is seeking the support of forum members (through the designated ‘Years Gone By’ section) in attempting to correct such inaccuracies and obtain the required information.

 

1) To gustix, apparently...

2) Does gustix consider that relevant?

3) Does gustix agree?

4) Does gustix consider that relevant?

We are seemingly dealing with an individual who :

5) Thinks that people are only interested in modern speedway, yet he starts more threads on the "Years Gone By Forum" than the way of us combined.

6) Has no interest in, or real knowledge of, modern speedway himself, yet believes his views on the subject are valid.

7) Criticises others for digressions within a thread (although the digressions are invariably speedway-related), yet frequently introduces non-speedway items (stock cars, flat-track etc) into a thread when they are completely irrelevant.

8) Cannot even spell Dave Allan's name correctly.

Steve

Edited August 30, 2019 by chunky

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, chunky said:

So, judging by these comments of yours, can I deduce that :

1) You really have no idea of what you are or aren't posting?

2) Memory feature-type pieces are of more interest - and perhaps more valuable - than debatable subjects that require a response?

Go for 2) chunky!!!

[chunky]

1 minute ago, gustix said:

Go for 2) chunky!!!

So John, you believe your personal memories and self-promotion are of more interest to speedway fans than statistical accuracy and educated debate?

[Guest]

Aside from the amusing anti-gustix waffle in regard to Dave Allan:

(1) Where is the 'corrected' information from Dave Allan to be found other than in BSF Posts? Is there a Dave Allan forum somewhere - if so please place the Link.

(2) When Dave Allan's corrections/updates have been made wherever that may be, will the 'wrong' information still be intact in its original Forum/Post?

(3) On the assumption item (2) is correct how will all the 'corrected' information be forwarded to its original source?

Edited August 30, 2019 by Guest
spelling error

[nw42]

40 minutes ago, gustix said:

Aside from the amusing anti-gustix waffle, in regard to Dave Allan:

(1) Where is the 'corrected' information from Dave Allan to be found other than in BSF Posts? Is there a Dave Alan forum somewhere - if so please place the Link.

(2) When Dave Allan's corrections/updates have been made wherever that may be, will the 'wrong' information still be intact in its original Forum/Post?

(3) On the assumption item (2) is correct how will all the 'corrected' information be forwarded to its original source?

Get stuffed.

[chunky]

53 minutes ago, nw42 said:

Get stuffed.

Personally, I think you should say how you REALLY feel. You shouldn't hold back on my account...

[Guest]

Where is the 'corrected' information from Dave Allan to be found other than in BSF Posts? Is there a Dave Allan forum somewhere - if so please place the Link.

[chunky]

1 hour ago, gustix said:

Aside from the amusing anti-gustix waffle...

Speaking personally, I am not "anti-gustix"; I am anti-stupidity, regardless of its origin.

I know, I know, if that is the case, why am I on the BSF then??? 

[chunky]

4 minutes ago, gustix said:

Where is the 'corrected' information from Dave Allan to be found other than in BSF Posts? Is there a Dave Allan forum somewhere - if so please place the Link.

Could someone PLEASE answer our esteemed colleague? Someone? ANYONE?

For if not, I fear numerous requests of a similar nature...

[BL65]

23 minutes ago, chunky said:

Could someone PLEASE answer our esteemed colleague? Someone? ANYONE?

For if not, I fear numerous requests of a similar nature...

 

30 minutes ago, gustix said:

Where is the 'corrected' information from Dave Allan to be found other than in BSF Posts? Is there a Dave Allan forum somewhere - if so please place the Link.

There is a clue on the Glasgow files for the 1970s and 1980s on the Speedway Researcher website...… compiled by Dave Allan.  I believe has previously explained on the forum that he is working on updating the fixture details on lists taken from the website for each season.  No doubt the results of his work will be shared there in due course.

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, gustix said:

Where is the 'corrected' information from Dave Allan to be found other than in BSF Posts? Is there a Dave Allan forum somewhere - if so please place the Link.

 

45 minutes ago, chunky said:

Could someone PLEASE answer our esteemed colleague? Someone? ANYONE?

For if not, I fear numerous requests of a similar nature...

 

14 minutes ago, BL65 said:

There is a clue on the Glasgow files for the 1970s and 1980s on the Speedway Researcher website...… compiled by Dave Allan.  I believe has previously explained on the forum that he is working on updating the fixture details on lists taken from the website for each season.  No doubt the results of his work will be shared there in due course.

Excellent BL65. I can think of no better place than The Speedway Researcher. Again, all success to Dave Allan in his efforts.

http://www.speedwayresearcher.org.uk

Edited August 30, 2019 by Guest

[racers and royals]

10 hours ago, gustix said:

 

 

Excellent BL65. I can think of no better place than The Speedway Researcher. Again, all success to Dave Allan in his efforts.

http://www.speedwayresearcher.org.uk

Blimey !!!! do you play a musical instrument ?  you can certainly change a tune.