SGP 2020

[f-s-p]

Why would Lambert get a full season wild card? Only reason for that is to fill the GB quota and U already have TW.

[OveFundinFan]

21 hours ago, Mark said:

Michelson would be good to watch and would score points.   He would be the only one I would like to see in the GP's from the younger guys.

My thoughts, my hope, was that Mikelson would have done well enough in the GP Challenge thus being in 2020 GPs, he didnt perform to the required level.

In recent years there have been a few, very few, real youngsters who have performed well enough to grace the GP scene successfully, mostly Poles ie Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek, whereas notably the Pawlicki brothers have failed.  Youngsters seem to struggle to do a full GP season, they may shine in an odd meeting, but other then that they can fall flat and that must be demoralising. As under 21's, and they still are, Drabik and Smektala were setting the world on fire, but only at their level - they were exceptional. Same with Fricke when he was world under 21 champ, but look not at Fricke, its a few years on and now he seems to be maturung to the next level. Lambert has had results in the under 21, still in it, but he is not in the same class as Drabik and Smektala (IMO). Let them mature a bit, the old school who are still showing the way will fade away, just enjoy them while they are still riding well.

[Ghostwalker]

On 8/26/2019 at 12:11 PM, OveFundinFan said:

My thoughts, my hope, was that Mikelson would have done well enough in the GP Challenge thus being in 2020 GPs, he didnt perform to the required level.

In recent years there have been a few, very few, real youngsters who have performed well enough to grace the GP scene successfully, mostly Poles ie Zmarzlik, Janowski, Dudek, whereas notably the Pawlicki brothers have failed.  Youngsters seem to struggle to do a full GP season, they may shine in an odd meeting, but other then that they can fall flat and that must be demoralising. As under 21's, and they still are, Drabik and Smektala were setting the world on fire, but only at their level - they were exceptional. Same with Fricke when he was world under 21 champ, but look not at Fricke, its a few years on and now he seems to be maturung to the next level. Lambert has had results in the under 21, still in it, but he is not in the same class as Drabik and Smektala (IMO). Let them mature a bit, the old school who are still showing the way will fade away, just enjoy them while they are still riding well.

IMO nothing else is to expect. To be continuously successful over one or several GP-seasons just talent isn't enough. It also requires plenty of  experience regarding
both the actual racing (setups, tougher opposition) as well as logistics and mental preparations (different atmosphere, more pressure and etc). Therefore it takes time
to become established. I don't think it's fair on the young guns to be dismissed after just one season.

As for Lebedevs, his 2017 was really great but he then had a really tough 2018. However he seems to be on the rise
again and have done a couple really good meetings the past few weeks.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Ghostwalker

[Col]

On 8/25/2019 at 1:54 PM, Mark said:

Michelson would be good to watch and would score points.   He would be the only one I would like to see in the GP's from the younger guys.

I don't disagree, however i suspect he won't get a permanent wildcard as there are already two Danes in 2020 GP's.  Iversen from the challenge & Madsen from the top 8.

I'm not convinced Kolodziej will get a permanent wildcard if he finishes outside the top 8.  Already 3 better Poles involved.

[Rico]

You have to think Grigory Laguta would add something to the series. 

[Shockster]

22 minutes ago, Rico said:

You have to think Grigory Laguta would add something to the series. 

I agree totally, but there's Artem and Emil already from Russia so doubt he'll get a shot.

[PHILIPRISING]

19 hours ago, Shockster said:

I agree totally, but there's Artem and Emil already from Russia so doubt he'll get a shot.

HIS refusal over many years not to take part in the qualifiers has always worked against him when it came to picking wild cards

[OveFundinFan]

I think as time goes on it is less likely Greg will be seen back in GP’s this year, there is only 4 left now and he says he not doing Teterow, so 3, though he could surprise and do Toruń and bow out of speedway completely.

[Shockster]

3 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

HIS refusal over many years not to take part in the qualifiers has always worked against him when it came to picking wild cards

I get that and he won't get in but he would be a great addition.  Not sure he'd win it now but reckon he'd get as close as anyone not riding in the GPs now.  We'll probably never know.

[racers and royals]

2 hours ago, OveFundinFan said:

I think as time goes on it is less likely Greg will be seen back in GP’s this year, there is only 4 left now and he says he not doing Teterow, so 3, though he could surprise and do Toruń and bow out of speedway completely.

Greg has said he is not doing Vojens either- Lambert rides

[Noodles]

12 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

HIS refusal over many years not to take part in the qualifiers has always worked against him when it came to picking wild cards

You said the same about Leon Madsen.

[PHILIPRISING]

19 hours ago, Noodles said:

You said the same about Leon Madsen.

MADSEN's performances in Poland particularly and the SEC created an overwhelming case that Laguta, especially after a ban, has never matched.

[eric i]

7 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

MADSEN's performances in Poland particularly and the SEC created an overwhelming case that Laguta, especially after a ban, has never matched.

G.Laguta is 10th in the polish averages after a year out the sport and he may well win the SEC so there maybe a strong case for his inclusion. Its shame Mikkel Michelsen didn't do better in the challenge because his league form in Sweden and in Poland has been excellent. Lambet needs to prove himself in the top leagues before he does GPs, hes 45th in the polish averages and 18th in the Swedish averages. If Janusz kolod manages to finish above Doyle, Iversen and Zagar I think it would be a little hash not to give him a wildcard.

[Col]

On 8/24/2019 at 9:15 PM, Steve Shovlar said:

Fricke ok, but the other two? Yawn.

 

On 8/24/2019 at 9:18 PM, Panthers89 said:

Completely agree, same old tbh! 

Iversen & Zagar were sooooo boring & barely troubled the scorers in Teterow weren't they?

[Mark]

As we have said before the top 14 riders can all win a GP.    

[OveFundinFan]

I really don’t think Lambert is ready for a full season of GPS, perhaps another 2 years off. It’s been a good experience this year being series reserve, has given him more gps then probably thought, what with Greg not taking his place unfortunately.

Kolodeiz, apart from a GP win, which was really good, he hasn’t done much. He must have something going for him to win a gp, and I accept you can’t win gp every meeting, but some sort of consistency would be nice. He seems to be another Lindback, so frustrating cause you know what he can do but just doesn’t manage it for whatever reason.

[PHILIPRISING]

LOOKING more and more like two wild cards will go to Doyle and Woffinden with Hancock a possible third. 

[Mark]

2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

LOOKING more and more like two wild cards will go to Doyle and Woffinden with Hancock a possible third. 

Yesterday I said Hancock deserved a card for only sentimental reasons. Services to speedway and a farewell tour.  But having thought more I'd ask what more would he bring to the series that a young rider like Lambert or Mickelson would do.

The answer is he would bring less.  There is no chance of Hancock riding a race like Lambert did to beat Lindgren at Teterow.  That was exciting to watch.  

So my view is Sorry Greg you are out but maybe hand him a GP wild card in a couple of GP's so he gets a chance to say Goodbye.   Warsaw in front of 50000 a lovely way to finish or Torun.

[PHILIPRISING]

41 minutes ago, Mark said:

Yesterday I said Hancock deserved a card for only sentimental reasons. Services to speedway and a farewell tour.  But having thought more I'd ask what more would he bring to the series that a young rider like Lambert or Mickelson would do.

The answer is he would bring less.  There is no chance of Hancock riding a race like Lambert did to beat Lindgren at Teterow.  That was exciting to watch.  

So my view is Sorry Greg you are out but maybe hand him a GP wild card in a couple of GP's so he gets a chance to say Goodbye.   Warsaw in front of 50000 a lovely way to finish or Torun.

WOULDN'T argue with that ... maybe throw in Cardiff as well.

[foamfence]

43 minutes ago, Mark said:

Yesterday I said Hancock deserved a card for only sentimental reasons. Services to speedway and a farewell tour.  But having thought more I'd ask what more would he bring to the series that a young rider like Lambert or Mickelson would do.

The answer is he would bring less.  There is no chance of Hancock riding a race like Lambert did to beat Lindgren at Teterow.  That was exciting to watch.  

So my view is Sorry Greg you are out but maybe hand him a GP wild card in a couple of GP's so he gets a chance to say Goodbye.   Warsaw in front of 50000 a lovely way to finish or Torun.

That was a brilliant race but sadly he doesn't yet produce many, in fact his giving way to pressure is often disappointing, much as I'd like more Brits in the GPs, I don't really think he's quite ready yet.