Ice Speedway 2019-2020

[Schwantz34]

On 2/4/2020 at 3:03 PM, f-s-p said:

Temperature dictates it. You try and freeze a track with cold water in -20c you get layers on top of each other that will come off when racing. If its really cold the ice will chop up and chunks could get loose... As a kid I used to help with hockey rinks outside. Give us -5 to -10 and warm water we’d give you a rink second to none. Thats when the warm water has enough time to melt the top of the excisting ice and becomes solid... Some hockey rinks use chenimicals in the water, or at least did, to help with the ice.

Soft ice stays together better, I’d say its more predictable to ride on than the kind that lets go when you turn to a corner. 

What is good or best is subjective. I’d guess a well prepared track with -5 to -10 on raceday is as good as it can get. Never heard anything positive if it goes below -20. On the other end of the scale it naturally starts to melt after 0, so its somewhere in between...

Thanks fsp, interesting stuff

[Schwantz34]

All too short but Kazakhstan highlights from FIM TV 

 

[Conkers]

ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS FINAL3, TOGLIATTI, SATURDAY 8.2.2020

Result: (GP Points in Bold)

Daniil Ivanov (RUS)       (3, 3, d, 3, 3) (12+2+3)    17    20 
Dmitri Khomitsevich (RUS)    (3, 3, 3, 2, 3) (14+3+2)    19    18
Dinar Valeev (RUS)        (3, 1, 2, 3, 2) (11+3+1)    15    16
Evgenei Saydullin (RUS)    (2, 1, 2, 3, 3) (11+2+0)    13    14
Igor Kononov (RUS)        (3, 3, 3, 3, 1)    (13+1)        14    12
Dmitri Koltakov (RUS)        (2, 2, 3, 2, 3)    (12+1)        13    11
Martin Haarahiltunen (SWE)    (2, 0, 3, d, 2) (7+0)        7    10
Johann Weber (SWE)        (2, d, d, 2, 2)    (6+0)        6    9
Franky Zorn (AUT)        (0, 2, 2, 1, 1)            6    8
Harald Simon (AUT)        (1, 2, d, 1, 2)            6    7
Charly Ebner (AUT)        (1, 3, 1, 0, 0)            5    6
Stefan Svensson (SWE)        (0, 1, 1, 2, 1)            5    5
Ove Ledström (SWE)        (1, 2, 1, 1, R)            5    4
Lukas Hutla (CzR)       (d, 0, 2, 1, d)            3    3
Jasper Iwema (NL)        (1, 0, 0, 1, d)            1    2
Bart Schaap (NL)        (d, 1, 0, 0, R)            1    1  

SF1 Khomitsevich, Saydullin, Koltakov, Haarahiltunen

SF2 Valeev, Ivanov, Kononov, Weber

FINAL Ivanov, Khomitsevich, Valeev, Saydullin

Standings: (*=Wildcard)
Daniil Ivanov 60
Dmitri Khomitsevich 54
Igor Kononov 40
Dmitry Koltakov 39
Dinar Valeev 39
Harald Simon 34
Martin Haarahiltunen 27
Stefan Svensson 22
Franky Zorn 20
Hans Weber 19
Niklas Svensson 17
Lukas Hutla 15
*Evgenei Saydullin 14
Ove Ledstrom 13
Charly Ebner 11
Jasper Iwema 10
Bart Schaap 1
*Vladimir Cheblokov 1    

[f-s-p]

On 2/4/2020 at 5:03 PM, f-s-p said:

Temperature dictates it. You try and freeze a track with cold water in -20c you get layers on top of each other that will come off when racing. If its really cold the ice will chop up and chunks could get loose... As a kid I used to help with hockey rinks outside. Give us -5 to -10 and warm water we’d give you a rink second to none. Thats when the warm water has enough time to melt the top of the excisting ice and becomes solid... Some hockey rinks use chenimicals in the water, or at least did, to help with the ice.

Soft ice stays together better, I’d say its more predictable to ride on than the kind that lets go when you turn to a corner. 

What is good or best is subjective. I’d guess a well prepared track with -5 to -10 on raceday is as good as it can get. Never heard anything positive if it goes below -20. On the other end of the scale it naturally starts to melt after 0, so its somewhere in between...

Refining this a bit. -4 to -6 is apparently the optimum. Thats when its ”top form” resistance wise. Had a talk with som ice hockey people and they told me this. Chemicals are no longer POP.

And remember I’m talking about ice. 23 heats of ice racing is gonna rape what ever ice in any form you gonna give them...

[Conkers]

ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS FINAL 4, TOGLIATTI, SUNDAY 8.2.2020

Result: (GP Points in Bold)

Dinar Valeev         (3, 3, 3, 2, 3)(14+2+3)    19     20
Daniil Ivanov         (3, 3, 3, 1, 2)(12+3+2)    17    18
Igor Kononov         (2, 3, 2, 3, 3)(13+3+1)    17    16
Johann Weber        (R, 2, 1, 3, 2)(8+2+d)    10    14

Dmitri Koltakov        (1, 3, 3, 2, 2)(11+F)    11    12
Martin Haarahiltunen    (3, 1, 2, 1, 3)(10+1)    11    11

Dmitri Khomitsevich    (2, 2, 3, 3, 3)(13+R)    13   10
Harald Simon        (0, 2, 2, 3, 1)(8+0)    8    9

Franky Zorn        (3, 1, 1, 2, 0)        7    8
Evgeni Saydullin    (2, 2, 0, 2, 1)        7    7
Stefan Svensson        (2, 0, 2, 1, 1)        6    6
Ove Ledström        (1, 1, 1, 0, d)        3    5
Vladimir Fadeev (Russia)(res)    (2)            2    4
Lukas Hutla        (1, 0, 1, d, 0)        2    3
Charly Ebner        (1, 0, 0, 0, d)        1    2
Bart Shaap        (d, 0, 0, 1, 0)        1    1
Jasper Iwema        (d, 1, R, N, N)        1    0
Saveli Vedyanov (Russia)(res)     (d)            0    0

SF1: Ivanov, Valeev, Haarahiltunen, Simon
SF2: Kononov, Weber, Koltakov F, Khomitsevich R 
FINAL: Valeev, Ivanov, Kononov, Weber

OVERALL: (*=Wildcard)
Ivanov 78
Khomitsevich 64
Valeev 59
Kononov 56
Koltakov 51
Simon 43
Haarahiltunen 38
Weber 33
S. Svensson 28
Zorn 28
Saydullin* 21
Ledstrom 18
Hutla 18
N. Svensson 17
Ebner 13

Schaap 2
Cheblakov* 1

EDIT NOTE: There was some dispute regarding 5-8th places which Gambo alerted me to. Having just seen the FIM Results, I've amended the scores and result. But the words P!55 up and Brewery spring to mind regarding the Referee and Jury!

CUP OF RUSSIA FINAL 2, VYATSKIE POLYANY, 
SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 8 & SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 9
Vasilli Nesytyh 26 (15+11)
Nikita Bogdanov 22 (10+12)
Igor Saydullin 21+3 (12+9)
Nikita Tarasov 21+2 (9+12)
Nikita Toloknov 21 (11+10)
Sergei Makharov 19 (5+14)
Evgenei Sharov 17 (9+8)
Eduard Krysov 16 (8+8)
Ivan Chichkov 13 (10+3)
Konstantin Kolenkin 12 (4+8)
Dmitri Borodin 12 (5+7)
Vladimir Bobin 9 (3+6)
Yuri Olejnik 9 (7+2)
Elisha Vydrin 2 (2+DNR)
Dmitri Solyannikov 0 (0+DNR)

Final Table

Toloknov 50+3
Nesytyh 50+2
Bogdanov 44
Tarasov 40
Krysov 34
Sharov 32
Saydullin 31
Kolenkin 31
Bobin 23
Makharov 19
Solyannikov 18
Borodin 17
Chichkov 17
Olejnik 14
Khazmurzin 12
Khuzhin 10
Urakov 7
Vydrin 2

Edited February 9, 2020 by Conkers
Spelling & Result ammendment

[DutchGrasstrack]

Photo's from todays Final 4 in Togliatti: https://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/1917/knotsgekke-vierde-finale-in-togliatti-met-dinar-valeev-als-winnaar.html

@f-s-p I got all the action again

[severnsider]

48 minutes ago, DutchGrasstrack said:

Photo's from todays Final 4 in Togliatti: https://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/1917/knotsgekke-vierde-finale-in-togliatti-met-dinar-valeev-als-winnaar.html

@f-s-p I got all the action again

Excellent pictures. Koltakov's flying bike looked specatcular

[steve69]

Injustice Table after 4 GPs. Under last years scoring the Series would have Ivanov leading by only 5 pts instead of 14. How can this be better Castagna!!!!!

2020 FIM ICE Gladiators Pts Scored v FIM Scoring System
		GP1		GP2		GP3		GP4		GP5		GP6		GP7		GP8		GP9		GP10		Total		Pts
No	Rider	Act. Pts	FIM	Act.Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act. Pts	FIM	Act Pts	FIM	Diff
	Danil IVANOV	21	20	20	20	17	20	17	18													75	78	3
	Dmitry KHOMITSEVICH	19	18	19	18	19	18	13	10													70	64	-6
	Dinar VALEEV	11	10	10	12	15	16	19	20													55	58	3
	Igor KONONOV	14	14	15	14	14	12	17	16													60	56	-4
	Dmitry KOLTAKOV	12	11	16	16	13	11	11	12													52	50	-2
	Harald SIMON	11	16	9	11	6	7	8	9													34	43	9
	Martin HAARAHILTUNEN	13	12	6	7	7	10	11	11													37	40	3
	Johan WEBER	8	9	2	1	6	9	10	14													26	33	7
	Franz ZORN	5	6	5	6	6	8	7	8													23	28	5
	STEFAN SVENSSON	5	7	9	9	5	5	6	6													25	27	2
	Niclas SVENSSON	6	8	9	10	0	0	0	0													15	18	3
	Ove LEDSTROM	4	5	3	4	5	4	3	5													15	18	3
	Lukas HUTLA	3	4	6	8	3	3	2	3													14	18	4
	Charly EBNER	1	2	2	3	5	6	1	2													9	13	4
	Jasper IWEMA	3	3	3	5	1	2	1	0													8	10	2
	Bart SCHAPP	0	0	0	0	1	1	1	1													2	2	0

[James Carter]

Just because the new scoring system has stretched things out in Ice Speedway doesn't necessarily mean it will do the same in SGP

Ice Speedway you basically have 5 Russians who realistically are the only riders who can win an event. So these 5 can ride well within themselves and cruise to the semi final. 

With a more competitive field in SGP I don't think it will result in the same stretching out if the points.

 

 

 

[steve69]

I think with a more competitive field of 15 SGP riders you could & WILL get riders getting into a semi-final with 7 or 8 pts then finishing 2nd in Semi & winning the Final to get 20 pts.

An example off the top of my head is Tai in Gorzow. He didn`t win a race in the 20 heats 2nd in semi & finished 3rd in the Grand Final. So on the new system would get 16 pts yet scored about  10/11 actual pts.

Looking at the ICE GP so far the Russians have been riding within themselves in the heats to the detriment of the racing knowing they are ok for Semi-Final qualification then going for it in the S/F plus Final. 

I hope I am wrong with this new system but I can`t see it improving anything. Why change something that doesn`t need fixing!!

A more pressing problem in my eyes is the starts!!! To me if there is a false start all 4 should be back to the start-line NO ONE should be allowed on the track & the pit gate should remain closed.

[f-s-p]

17 minutes ago, steve69 said:

I think with a more competitive field of 15 SGP riders you could & WILL get riders getting into a semi-final with 7 or 8 pts then finishing 2nd in Semi & winning the Final to get 20 pts.

An example off the top of my head is Tai in Gorzow. He didn`t win a race in the 20 heats 2nd in semi & finished 3rd in the Grand Final. So on the new system would get 16 pts yet scored about  10/11 actual pts.

Looking at the ICE GP so far the Russians have been riding within themselves in the heats to the detriment of the racing knowing they are ok for Semi-

A more pressing problem in my eyes is the starts!!! To me if there is a false start all 4 should be back to the start-line NO ONE should be allowed on the track & the pit gate should remain closed.

Pit gate open or not, the heat will be under new two minutes. It’s not a problem.

[steve69]

The problem that a rider can tweak his set at the pit gate if he has got it wrong. The other problem is that the meeting is delayed for probably near on 5 minutes. Not just the 2 minutes which are never put immediately after the false start. 

[f-s-p]

9 hours ago, steve69 said:

The problem that a rider can tweak his set at the pit gate if he has got it wrong. The other problem is that the meeting is delayed for probably near on 5 minutes. Not just the 2 minutes which are never put immediately after the false start. 

And the problem is the ref, not the riders. 

[f-s-p]

Finnish final postponed to March 21st due to weather.

[Conkers]

1 hour ago, f-s-p said:

Finnish final postponed to March 21st due to weather.

Won't that clash with the European Final?

[DutchGrasstrack]

It does.

[f-s-p]

Yes

But it was the one date left. Not that many years ago when Ufa could not decide if they were to host the EC or not the situation was the same, but then we had 2 allocations, only one now.

[Schwantz34]

 

[Schwantz34]

Great ride by Weber second day, and incredible stuff by Ivanov to stay on board in that final.

I watched one of the Russian YouTubers videos containing all races from both days, you can't help but be disappointed by some of the westerners like Schaap, Ebner and even fan favourite Zorn. To me it looks like Zorn must have a decent budget and Simon the opposite, aside from being a quick starter Zorn has very little fight about him whereas Simon gets stuck in

 

[iris123]

No doubt Franky has seen better days, but he did have a couple of nasty spills last season and has only just recovered from his hand injury just before the season started. I guess it leaves a mental scare or two. But he had some fight in him in previous seasons. Pletschacher for me was the rider who used to get out the gate then drop back as one by one the others passed him