Fromafar Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 37 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: I think there may be a lot of truth in that, but it is also true that there are less and less and less fans, at all of those tracks, because the truth is that only two or three races in any meeting are worthy of the name. That is one of the main reasons why the number of UK supporters has plummetted over the last 10 to 15 years. Domestic UK speedway is increasingly perceived as poor VFM. Have to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: I think there may be a lot of truth in that, but it is also true that there are less and less and less fans, at all of those tracks, because the truth is that only two or three races in any meeting are worthy of the name. That is one of the main reasons why the number of UK supporters has plummetted over the last 10 to 15 years. Domestic UK speedway is increasingly perceived as poor VFM. The simple truth is that racing is no better or worse than it has been for decades. The problem is perhaps more related to the fact that while the experience has remained the same, the price of entry has gone up disproportionately to people's incomes (to be fair, that might be the very point you are attempting to make). Clubs simply have to do more on race days, although I should say that the attendance was maybe 2,500 today. The market is there, at least to a degree. Edited August 26, 2019 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: Worst meeting ever at NSS. But today wasnt all about racing. It was about getting the win and we did just that. Lemon I heard asked for the track to be totally different and make it really grippy which I thought why would he want that as Lynn riders would love it. But what do I know because it suited us more clearly as we brushed Lynn aside fairly easily. All goes down to Peterborough now for belle vue. But I can see Ipswich missing out and us wolves Swindon and Poole in play offs If that 's the case then whoever finishes top will pick BV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 It was a year ago today Dan Bewley broke his leg in 9 places as well as shoulder and wrist. What a day to break track record! 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rob B said: It was a year ago today Dan Bewley broke his leg in 9 places as well as shoulder and wrist. What a day to break track record! According to the proboards site, 25 August 2018. That, however, is nit picking. I saw the crash at Workington and it was truly awful - I was actually relieved that his injuries were what they were. To break the track record today would have been a fantastic achievement no matter what. To do it after what happened is a remarkable one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: The simple truth is that racing is no better or worse than it has been for decades. The problem is perhaps more related to the fact that while the experience has remained the same, the price of entry has gone up disproportionately to people's incomes. Clubs simply have to do more on race days. It's not just about the racing though is it? Because of the lack of tactical options these days most matches are cut and dried after a few races (unless your team is particularly poor at home) with team managers having their hands tied if the one and only tactical move doesn't pay off the home victory is never normally in doubt. I've been a regular at Leicester this season and except for 2 matches that were memorable the rest have been instantly forgettable with a Lions home victory never in doubt and most "races" being over after the 2nd bend with riders being strung out 20 yards apart... unless Scott Nicholls or Chris Harris are in the race. The full range of tactical options really do need bringing back and the sooner the better. Half the fun in the good old days was looking through the programme and second guessing the team manager... these days with just the 1 tac sub I don't even buy a programme any more Edited August 26, 2019 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rob B said: It was a year ago today Dan Bewley broke his leg in 9 places as well as shoulder and wrist. What a day to break track record! It was actually 25th August 2018 he broke his leg ... Workington v Lakeside but that’s splitting hairs.. It’s also 3 years ago this weekend that he had his first big smash at Newcastle v Edinburgh ( 28th) so something about the August bank holiday weekend for Dan to remember over the years with now holding the NSS track record Edited August 26, 2019 by KEITH M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, KEITH M said: It was actually 24th August 2018 he broke his leg ... Workington v Lakeside but that’s splitting hairs.. It’s also 3 years ago this weekend that he had his first big smash at Newcastle v Edinburgh ( 27th) so something about the August bank holiday weekend for Dan to remember over the years Ah right ok, it’s Dan himself who said today in interview at Belle Vue and on social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, iainb said: It's not just about the racing though is it? Because of the lack of tactical options these days most matches are cut and dried after a few races (unless your team is particularly poor at home) with team managers having their hands tied if the one and only tactical move doesn't pay off the home victory is never normally in doubt. I've been a regular at Leicester this season and except for 2 matches that were memorable the rest have been instantly forgettable with a Lions home victory never in doubt and most "races" being over after the 2nd bend with riders being strung out 20 yards apart... unless Scott Nicholls or Chris Harris is in the race. The full range of tactical options really do need bringing back and the sooner the better. Half the fun in the good old days was looking through the programme and second guessing the team manager... these days with just the 1 tac sub I don't even buy a programme any more I certainly don't agree that most matches are finished after a few races - that certainly wasn't the case today and I'd point out that Newcastle last week the Diamonds were winning by 12 points at heat 9 only to lose the meeting. You have two problems at Leicester. For a start, it has a notorious reputation for poor racing. Secondly (and this might not been seen as a problem as such) you have a very good team, top of the table and looking nailed on for a play off position. That means that they are going to thump a few away sides. I don't disagree about tactical changes but suspect that you & I are in the minority. Certainly, there are numerous number of people on here that rail against 'artificial' score changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: I certainly don't agree that most matches are finished after a few races - that certainly wasn't the case today and I'd point out that Newcastle last week the Diamonds were winning by 12 points at heat 9 only to lose the meeting. You have two problems at Leicester. For a start, it has a notorious reputation for poor racing. Secondly (and this might not been seen as a problem as such) you have a very good team, top of the table and looking nailed on for a play off position. That means that they are going to thump a few away sides. I don't disagree about tactical changes but suspect that you & I are in the minority. Certainly, there are numerous number of people on here that rail against 'artificial' score changes. I suppose it's what you define as "artificial". As for today the result wasn't in doubt after the tactical failed... I know you'll say that was heat 9... But the manager did hold off from using it until that point because he could only use it once. I take your point about Leicester's strength though Edited August 26, 2019 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, pubichair said: Hope Thomas Jorgensen never rides for lynn after this season dreadful away I said before the season started that the Stars won't get anything away from the AFA this season. I wasn't far out so far, I have no pleasure in saying This is not including today. And are not rolling averages, just this seasons averages so far... Lynn have been very poor on the road. Not blaming any one rider, there a several who go pretty well at home, but you need some points on the road. Our engine room have been poor away all season. Still hoping to get some points in the remaining away matches.. TJ Home 7.71 ……. Away 4.14 Lewis Home 7.09 ….. Away 4.24 Tofty Home …. 7.44 …. Away 5.24 Erik Home … 8.00 ….. Away 5.54 Edited August 26, 2019 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, semion said: Looks like another bridesmaid season for Lynn. Oh well there’s always next year, hopefully Not that good - page boys at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, iainb said: I suppose it's what you define as "artificial". As for today the result wasn't in doubt after the tactical failed... I know you'll say that was heat 9... But the manager did hold off from using it until that point because he could only use it once. I take your point about Leicester's strength though We'll have to disagree about the result today. I certainly wasn't being complacent until the 5-1 in heat 11, as at that time the Aces still had to prevent King's Lynn getting a point. I do agree about tactical changes. Anything to make a meeting more competitive and interesting, and those who compare speedway with other sports in their arguments against it are talking nonsense. I went to the handicap meeting at Isle Of Wight a week or so ago and co-promoter Martin Widman commented that the passing was 'artificial' (to be fair to Martin, I put that word in his mouth). My response was 'Who cares ?' Taken all round (because the Warriors do so, so much more than run a speedway match), it's the best meeting I have seen this season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Today again raises the issue of meetings taking place in the afternoon. Regular fans understand and will tolerate the watering delays but first timers may take a different view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Not one of the best meetings at the NSS but still enjoyed my day out , heat 15 was a cracker though......ooh it was Hot !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Today again raises the issue of meetings taking place in the afternoon. Regular fans understand and will tolerate the watering delays but first timers may take a different view. If BV can't make it work, no one can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackrat Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: If BV can't make it work, no one can! You posting from Wolves???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatAndy Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Rob B said: Craig Cook just been an idiot again, track staff were repairing damaged fence by starting gate plenty of people on track, Cook rode round to the starting gate even though referee put red lights on. Clerk of course walked up to him and told him he had to leave and he didn’t, so clerk of the course pulled his cut out. Maybe he couldn't hear anything with his helmet on! Ha ha! Still love Cookie, even though he does have these moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: If BV can't make it work, no one can! Day meetings are usually the best meetings at belle vue. Today totally the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve0 said: Not that good - page boys at best Mother of the bride is reserved for Peterborough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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