Odsal

[Tsunami]

6 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

Rumours of a £4k per meeting rent won’t help attract a promoter either 

It won't be a runner with that overhead. Who is going to set up and pay for the pits and pits carpark, and where would they put them. It's a very difficult shape being a bowl, and previously the Ham's had them at the upper level where the the hospitality suite is now, Could the pits be put under the suite building ?. Too many questions and financial restrictions to overcome and would have to be in place even if it was considered only for the bigger events in competition to Cardiff and BV,

Edited March 1, 2021 by Tsunami

[SSL84]

5 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

It won't be a runner with that overhead. Who is going to set up and pay the pits and pits carpark, and where would they put them. It's a very difficult shape being a bowl and previously the Ham's had them at the upper level where the the hospitality suite is now, Could the pits be put under the suite building ?. Too many questions and financial restrictions to overcome and would have to be in place even if it was considered only for the bigger events in competition to Cardiff and BV,

Like I've said Dave it's not the rent alone would stop anyone there is so much against it.  

[Ray Stadia]

2 hours ago, Tsunami said:

It won't be a runner with that overhead. Who is going to set up and pay the pits and pits carpark, and where would they put them. It's a very difficult shape being a bowl and previously the Ham's had them at the upper level where the the hospitality suite is now, Could the pits be put under the suite building ?. Too many questions and financial restrictions to overcome and would have to be in place even if it was considered only for the bigger events in competition to Cardiff and BV,

Surely the stock cars will need a car park? Or is it that bikes need to be covered and the stock car boys are in the open? I would imagine most riders have the coverings that pull out from the side of a van or a gazebo? 

[Tsunami]

4 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said:

Surely the stock cars will need a car park? Or is it that bikes need to be covered and the stock car boys are in the open? I would imagine most riders have the coverings that pull out from the side of a van or a gazebo? 

True Ray, but I can't remember seeing a large stox car park unless it is high up, and they use the big ramp on the 3rd bend to enter and exit the track like the speedway riders do.

[SSL84]

Im sure stock's will be a big hit at Bradford and I hope they are for Steve Reese the man as put his money where his mouth is and I wish Steve all the best. Think Bradford could be the mecca of F1 stock cars.

[teaboy279]

They have finished laying the tracks base material 2 days ahead of schedule. They are leaving for 10 days to settle before they start to lay the race surface.

Without the stadium repairs and replacing the stock car barrier the cost of the material must eye watering,even more so the haulage bill..

I think if the talked about figures are correct, then you won't see a team running from there for a while. But the opportunity for big events in the future has to be a possibility.

[Daniel Smith]

People seem scared to say why Bradford wouldn't work as a Speedway venue. I have no idea why, it's not a racist opinion, it's fact. 

Majority white area's struggle to get 1000 week in week out. Bradford would struggle to get 100

 

[Jonny the spud]

9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

People seem scared to say why Bradford wouldn't work as a Speedway venue. I have no idea why, it's not a racist opinion, it's fact. 

Majority white area's struggle to get 1000 week in week out. Bradford would struggle to get 100

 

If that’s the case you have to ask what British speedway has done in the last 40+ years  to target them as a potential audience ?

[foamfence]

1 minute ago, Jonny the spud said:

If that’s the case you have to ask what British speedway has done in the last 40+ years  to target them as a potential audience ?

You have no chance, they won't make hero's of other races or religions, believe me I live there.

[arnieg]

9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

People seem scared to say why Bradford wouldn't work as a Speedway venue. I have no idea why, it's not a racist opinion, it's fact. 

Majority white area's struggle to get 1000 week in week out. Bradford would struggle to get 100

 

So did I imagine the existence of a speedway track in Leicester, the UK City with the highest proportion of non white citizens in the country.

[Jonny the spud]

8 minutes ago, foamfence said:

You have no chance, they won't make hero's of other races or religions, believe me I live there.

So no Asians go to football matches then ?

[foamfence]

3 minutes ago, Jonny the spud said:

So no Asians go to football matches then ?

An extremely low number, there are Asian and Muslim footballers.

[foamfence]

10 minutes ago, arnieg said:

So did I imagine the existence of a speedway track in Leicester, the UK City with the highest proportion of non white citizens in the country.

Crowd full of Asians is it?

[steve roberts]

4 minutes ago, Jonny the spud said:

So no Asians go to football matches then ?

I'd be interested to know what percentage do if a study was to take place? White City struggled for local support in what was predominantly a West Indian neighbourhood in those days. I recall the promoters encouraging a West Indian to take up the sport so as to attract the ethnic population to attend but it came to nothing.

[Rico]

9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

People seem scared to say why Bradford wouldn't work as a Speedway venue. I have no idea why, it's not a racist opinion, it's fact. 

Majority white area's struggle to get 1000 week in week out. Bradford would struggle to get 100

 

You seem to be suggesting that Bradford isn't a "majority white area".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Bradford

 

[Grachan]

10 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

People seem scared to say why Bradford wouldn't work as a Speedway venue. I have no idea why, it's not a racist opinion, it's fact. 

Majority white area's struggle to get 1000 week in week out. Bradford would struggle to get 100

 

This argument doesn't stand up at all, even if speedway didn't attract non-white people.

If Bradford has a population of 530,00 and 67.44% of the population are white, that still leaves around 360,000 white people in Bradford. That's more than the entire populations of Poole and Swindon combined.

 

[foamfence]

1 minute ago, Grachan said:

This argument doesn't stand up at all, even if speedway didn't attract non-white people.

If Bradford has a population of 530,00 and 67.44% of the population are white, that still leaves around 360,000 white people in Bradford. That's more than the entire populations of Poole and Swindon combined.

 

The majority of Odsal support came from outside Bradford, places such as Halifax (a short drive away) and further afield. You also have to consider that the Boomerangs, Tudors, Panthers, Northern, Barons and Dukes were all Bradford clubs and all of them closed down. Having said that, good luck to anyone who tries it.

[Grachan]

3 minutes ago, foamfence said:

The majority of Odsal support came from outside Bradford, places such as Halifax (a short drive away) and further afield. You also have to consider that the Boomerangs, Tudors, Panthers, Northern, Barons and Dukes were all Bradford clubs and all of them closed down. Having said that, good luck to anyone who tries it.

That may well be the case. All I'm saying is that blaming crowd levels on the percentage of ethnic minorities in the city doesn't make sense.

I remember going to a Bradford v Swindon match in what was probably the late 1980s and was pretty much stood alone on the back straight.

[tyke]

It doesn't really matter where tracks are placed in the UK, the sport is very much on the decline.

You can count on One hand (and maybe lose a digit or two) those that get half sizeable attendances on the whole. The fact that speedway promoters don't even produce attendance figures really is all you need to know. Potentially those that actually make a profit maybe less after losing your digit's.

I live in Bradford and I'm sure in the short term it would be attended quiet well, but long term like most tracks it will struggle to survive, because in my opionon the product only service's a small miche market and that market I am afraid is very much twindling .

You can go on about 000's of reasons why patrons don't come through the door and pay an entrance fee (See what I did there !) the mere fact is Speedway is very, very much a minority sport in the UK and very losely professional these days.

[Ray Stadia]

46 minutes ago, tyke said:

It doesn't really matter where tracks are placed in the UK, the sport is very much on the decline.

You can count on One hand (and maybe lose a digit or two) those that get half sizeable attendances on the whole. The fact that speedway promoters don't even produce attendance figures really is all you need to know. Potentially those that actually make a profit maybe less after losing your digit's.

I live in Bradford and I'm sure in the short term it would be attended quiet well, but long term like most tracks it will struggle to survive, because in my opionon the product only service's a small miche market and that market I am afraid is very much twindling .

You can go on about 000's of reasons why patrons don't come through the door and pay an entrance fee (See what I did there !) the mere fact is Speedway is very, very much a minority sport in the UK and very losely professional these days.

I've said for many years and been criticised on here for my opinion, that the only way, the activity of speedway can survive, is to be virtually amateur only and have tracks which are 'tracks in a field'. Speedway cannot continue pretending it's something it isn't. It needs to go back to it's roots and maybe it can grow from that level. The biggest thing killing speedway, is the cost. Costs for the riders, promoters, fans etc. The tracks would have to run weekends only, so the riders and the club members can earn money elsewhere during the week. There is no point starting each season on a wing and prayer. Losing Rye House, Lakeside, Stoke in recent years, in my opinion, was the final nail in the coffin for speedway. Reduce the costs for everyone, I believe it can survive.