Humphrey Appleby Posted April 5, 2022 Report Share Posted April 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, arnieg said: No - a complete fantasy. Anyone that imagines the UK government would give unrestricted access to Commonwealth citizens (including 1.4 billion Indian citizens) is deluded. No more than Australia wanted to allow 65 million Britons to go to Australia ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 22 hours ago, arnieg said: No - a complete fantasy. Anyone that imagines the UK government would give unrestricted access to Commonwealth citizens (including 1.4 billion Indian citizens) is deluded. We've already got 5 million Indians ... but the news refered to Australia, Canada and New Zealand, for work visas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 55 minutes ago, *JJ said: We've already got 5 million Indians ... but the news refered to Australia, Canada and New Zealand, for work visas. But why would it not apply to India also, it is part of the Commonwealth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, *JJ said: We've already got 5 million Indians ... but the news refered to Australia, Canada and New Zealand, for work visas. That's a subset of the Commonwealth and still represents 60 million people. If "30 million Romanians and Bulgarians coming to Britain" were a Brexit issue, then how is 60 million (plus an additional 5 million from Hong Kong of course) not going to be? And the fact remains there would have to be reciprocity, and those countries only want the 'brightest and best' from the UK... Sadly, when it's all said and done, speedway makes no significant economic, social or cultural contribution to the UK and doesn't warrant any special treatment. Edited April 7, 2022 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 4/5/2022 at 10:06 AM, *JJ said: As for riders, wasn't there talk last year of removing visa rules for Commonwealth citizens? If they did that, there would be a source of, at least, more Australian riders. Even if that were true... Which other Australians that aren't currently either in or allowed to ride in this country would even be worth signing... Jacob Hook and James Pearson are probably the lowest quality but worthwhile Aussies, anyone lower is not ready... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 9 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: Even if that were true... Which other Australians that aren't currently either in or allowed to ride in this country would even be worth signing... Jacob Hook and James Pearson are probably the lowest quality but worthwhile Aussies, anyone lower is not ready... Furthermore an increasing number of Australians are launching their European careers in Denmark and Poland - Kenyan Rew, Mathew Gilmore, Fraser Bowes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrickn Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 7:09 PM, 25yearfan said: Yes there is certainly a shortage of riders but hopefully Polish rules maybe relaxed and more Scandinavians can be found? Losing the Shay was a massive blow not only to speedway but in the long run landlords Halifax FC also suffered. I'm convinced that had ways been worked out to keep speedway going at the Shay in the mid 80's then it would likely still be running there now cause that place was always well supported! The shay was unique in that as well as being a super racetrack,it was five minutes walk from Halifax town centre,and a Saturday race night as well,so a complete night out for many.It also helped that in the early years,most of the team lived within 10 miles of the track,so a real sense of them being 'our ' team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 6 hours ago, arnieg said: Furthermore an increasing number of Australians are launching their European careers in Denmark and Poland - Kenyan Rew, Mathew Gilmore, Fraser Bowes In fact this is a curious thing. Australia and some EU countries have much more relaxed visa conditions for 'working holidays' than the UK and Australia have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: In fact this is a curious thing. Australia and some EU countries have much more relaxed visa conditions for 'working holidays' than the UK and Australia have. Shurely shome mistake there Edited April 8, 2022 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 8 hours ago, arnieg said: Furthermore an increasing number of Australians are launching their European careers in Denmark and Poland - Kenyan Rew, Mathew Gilmore, Fraser Bowes Only other I can really think of is Jaimon Lidsey, most other 'older' Australians have already had stints over here... The likes of McGuinness are not good enough imo, unless the NL starts allowing Aussies etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: Only other I can really think of is Jaimon Lidsey, most other 'older' Australians have already had stints over here... The likes of McGuinness are not good enough imo, unless the NL starts allowing Aussies etc Lidsey has had a season here already. That was maybe enough for him Edited April 8, 2022 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, HenryW said: Lidsey has had a season here already. That was maybe enough for him Think you'll find he only appeared in the UK after making his Danish league debut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 10 hours ago, Derrickn said: The shay was unique in that as well as being a super racetrack,it was five minutes walk from Halifax town centre,and a Saturday race night as well,so a complete night out for many.It also helped that in the early years,most of the team lived within 10 miles of the track,so a real sense of them being 'our ' team. It had everything going for it thats for sure and was a major part of the fabric of the Town! The subsequent fortunes of speedway in West Yorkshire and Shay owners Halifax Town football club after the 1985 finish of speedway there gives a firm indication of how successful Halifax Dukes speedway was! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted April 8, 2022 Report Share Posted April 8, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 7:04 PM, ch958 said: it can't be Halifax in Bradford, although if it was in Halfax there'd be better crowds Too true... Loved seeing riders learning to ride the Shay... and having pre & post beer in the 'Three Pigeons' is one of the greatest ticks on a shale lovers 'Bucket List'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed29 Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 We glad Oxford Cheetahs back!!! i hope we get another old teams back as well??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) I visted both the Shay & Odsal, in days before & after Hull's 1995 return, and enjoyed both. As at Hull, Craven Park, the view from the main stand at Odsal was great but of the two I preferred The Shay though, reasons of smaller stadium so better atmos and in pre-2m safety barrier days (which must be said was defo needed at The Shay !) one could literally get more than up close and personal with the racing and great pits viewing too. Racing was mostly brilliant at the Shay, unless it was a hot, dry day and then it got pretty slick, otherwise it was great. Both sadly missed venues still, Odsal has a shale track once more so looking good for poss speedway return..... Edited April 9, 2022 by martinmauger more sppeelling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 3 hours ago, martinmauger said: I visted both the Shay & Odsal, in days before & after Hull's 1995 return, and enjoyed both. As at Hull, Craven Park, the view from the main stand at Odsal was great but of the two I preferred The Shay though, reasons of smaller stadium and in pre-2m safety barrier days (which must be said was defo need at The Shay !) one could literally get more up close and personal with the racing and great pits viewing. Racing was msotly brilliant at the Shay, unless it was a hot, dry day and then it got pretty slcick, otherwise it was great. Both sadly missed venues still, Odsal has a shale track once more so looking good for poss speedway return..... Never got to see any racing at Halifax but called in many years later to view the stadium and with some imagination could visualise where the track once was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, steve roberts said: Never got to see any racing at Halifax but called in many years later to view the stadium and with some imagination could visualise where the track once was? I think it was in 1975 saw Charlie Monk win an open meeting with the prize being a brand new Weslake Engine ,he beat the very best of the old Gulf League that night .Loved going there the shape and size similar to Crewe actually Paul O'neal ,Ian Cartwright and John Jackson rode for both teams a sometime or another . Edited April 9, 2022 by FAST GATER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted April 9, 2022 Report Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, FAST GATER said: I think it was in 1975 saw Charlie Monk win an open meeting with the prize being a brand new Weslake Engine ,he beat the very best of the old Gulf League that night .Loved going there the shape and size similar to Crewe actually Paul O'neal ,Ian Cartwright and John Jackson rode for both teams a sometime or another . Charlie Monk... first class rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 8 hours ago, FAST GATER said: I think it was in 1975 saw Charlie Monk win an open meeting with the prize being a brand new Weslake Engine ,he beat the very best of the old Gulf League that night .Loved going there the shape and size similar to Crewe actually Paul O'neal ,Ian Cartwright and John Jackson rode for both teams a sometime or another . I used to have chats with Ian when visiting "Mouseman of Kilburn." A very nice person and told some fascinating stories regarding his speedway career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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