PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Goldhawk said: If 40k - 45K fans will go to Cardiff then 55k plus will go to Wembley, the capital of England and a Speedway Mecca that dwafts all others in Speedway history. The fans will come from home and abroad. If you have never seen a meeting there then maybe some here wouldn't appreciate it. Needs to be moved now in my view away from Cardiff which has become stale and doesn't produce decent racing . Agree SGP not likely either way in UK this year but sure it will be back in UK next year. Hope new organisers bring new and higher horizons for the sport at this level. Wembley for British SGP would be massive ! Crikey it would be the talk of World Speedway !! DIDN'T realise Wembley is the capital of England. It is not exactly in the heart of London. Nothing like the local facilities (hotels, bars, restaurants) that Cardiff has to offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldhawk Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, PHILIPRISING said: WALES is in Great Britain ... it's the British SGP. There are many reasons including the lack of a roof (no insurance against the weather for such an expensive project) and agree that 55k is totally unrealistic these days. Well Cardiff is losing fans year on year and its appeal i am afraid with processional racing . Agree Wembley is expensive and doesn't have roof , maybe track covers ? Totally disagree on crowd numbers Phil. If 40k go to Cardiff a meeting beyond original appeal then 55k would go to Wembley. Many fans from Poland and Europe for start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldhawk Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: DIDN'T realise Wembley is the capital of England. It is not exactly in the heart of London. Nothing like the local facilities (hotels, bars, restaurants) that Cardiff has to offer. London Population dwafts Cardiff as does England's over Wales . Not even a club or indeed a Speedway following in Wales i suspect these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Goldhawk said: I watched Ove Fundin as a kid in the 1970 WTC . He had "walked" on Wembley's club which come back to league racing that year. He was BOO'ED out of the stadium by a capacity crowd . The more they booed the faster he went ! Only beaten by Briggo if my memory serves me right in four rides ? There was nothing like a capacity crowd at Wembley for the WTC Final in 1970. Estimates in the Star put it at 40k ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Goldhawk said: Well Cardiff is losing fans year on year and its appeal i am afraid with processional racing . Agree Wembley is expensive and doesn't have roof , maybe track covers ? Totally disagree on crowd numbers Phil. If 40k go to Cardiff a meeting beyond original appeal then 55k would go to Wembley. Many fans from Poland and Europe for start. THEY wouldn't go because there are 11 SGPs, including ones in their own countries, the risk of weather intervening is too high and I think you are recalling racing at Wembley through rose coloured spectacles. And, don't forget, Wembley would require a temporary track, no different to Cardiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Goldhawk said: London Population dwafts Cardiff as does England's over Wales . Not even a club or indeed a Speedway following in Wales i suspect these days. OR London ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldhawk Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Wembley isn't the capital of England buts its in the English capital. It has no rival in Speedway's history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldhawk Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Grand Central said: There was nothing like a capacity crowd at Wembley for the WTC Final in 1970. Estimates in the Star put it at 40k ... Well it was along time ago, they made enough noise ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Goldhawk said: Well it was along time ago, they made enough noise ; ) But it just shows that you are talking fantasy numbers ... About today and about 1970. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 BUT that's all it is ... history. And, I repeat, Wembley is not really in London as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 ANYWAY, it is academic. The FA wouldn't consider parts of their hallowed turf being disturbed and the cost of laying a track would be north of £250,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldhawk Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THEY wouldn't go because there are 11 SGPs, including ones in their own countries, the risk of weather intervening is too high and I think you are recalling racing at Wembley through rose coloured spectacles. And, don't forget, Wembley would require a temporary track, no different to Cardiff. Maybe but lets hope the new organisers at least consider . Cardiff is going down . Don't know how you can says fans from Europe would go , why not ? Warsaw and Wroclaw apart hardly going to the others are they ?? Do you think they would go to Voyens or Germany instead or some of the others ?? Most SGP stadiums very basic.! If you don't think Cardiff has lost its appeal why are crowds dropping there ? It has I am afraid become a bore - fest !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldhawk Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Grand Central said: But it just shows that you are talking fantasy numbers ... About today and about 1970. Was talking about WTC and Ove Fundin not the World Finals there. Appreciate all very expensive but sure if poll was done many fans would want it back at Wembley if it was at all possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Goldhawk said: Maybe but lets hope the new organisers at least consider . Cardiff is going down . Don't know how you can says fans from Europe would go , why not ? Warsaw and Wroclaw apart hardly going to the others are they ?? Do you think they would go to Voyens or Germany instead or some of the others ?? Most SGP stadiums very basic.! If you don't think Cardiff has lost its appeal why are crowds dropping there ? It has I am afraid become a bore - fest !! THEY aren't dropping at Cardiff ... have remained around 40,000 which considering how many people in the UK regularly attend speedway is impressive. One of the most popular SGPs for fans from outside the staging country is Prague. Why? The racing isn't fantastic. They are drawn by the city and all it has to offer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Goldhawk said: Was talking about WTC and Ove Fundin not the World Finals there. Appreciate all very expensive but sure if poll was done many fans would want it back at Wembley if it was at all possible. BUT it isn't ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) in my view the only London stadium to offer some of the facilities supporters in this day and age require is West Ham's ground. plenty of restaurants etc a 5 minute walk away, but i don't know about accomodation. Wembley would be a no-go because nothing interferes with the FA. as a Cardiff alternative i can only see Belle Vue, but would struggle getting a good crowd because of a lack of local facilities. Bradford would be good, used to love the track, but once again only lends itself to people coming in and getting out (quickly) so would be a no-go for a lot of the Polish supporters that swell the Cardiff crowd quite considerably Edited April 30, 2021 by stevehone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, Goldhawk said: Was talking about WTC and Ove Fundin not the World Finals there. Appreciate all very expensive but sure if poll was done many fans would want it back at Wembley if it was at all possible. NO you stated that there was a capacity crowd at Wembley in 1970 ... 45 minutes ago, Goldhawk said: I watched Ove Fundin as a kid in the 1970 WTC . He had "walked" on Wembley's club which come back to league racing that year. He was BOO'ED out of the stadium by a capacity crowd . The more they booed the faster he went ! Only beaten by Briggo if my memory serves me right in four rides ? And that was complete fantasy. ... But because the 40 k made a lot of noise it misled you. And 40k at Cardiff making a he'll of a lot of noise ... That is some sort of failure. La La land. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: ANYWAY, it is academic. The FA wouldn't consider parts of their hallowed turf being disturbed and the cost of laying a track would be north of £250,000. Nonsense. The FA will consider anything if the price is right, which is why umpteen concerts have been held on the pitch there, and why several are scheduled even this year. Speedway can't/won't/doesn't want to pay the asking price. Just be honest about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Harking on about Wembley, it's in the past. Cardiff has served the sport well for many years now so need to knock it. Yes, there could be a new venue out there to stimulate the British GP but in my view, Wembley is not the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT that's all it is ... history. And, I repeat, Wembley is not really in London as such. Wembley is in Greater London, inside the M25, and on the Underground. How is that not London? You are right that 55k fans at a British GP is fantasy stuff though... Edited May 1, 2021 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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