RS50 Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 10:15 PM, cityrebel said: West Ham was up there with all of them. Speedways biggest problem is the loss of so many great big city venues. Expand Or the loss of so many fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 10:18 PM, RS50 said: Or the loss of so many fans? Expand The two go hand in hand, don't they? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 10:15 PM, cityrebel said: West Ham was up there with all of them. Speedways biggest problem is the loss of so many great big city venues. Expand On 8/24/2019 at 10:18 PM, RS50 said: Or the loss of so many fans? Expand On 8/24/2019 at 10:26 PM, cityrebel said: The two go hand in hand, don't they? Expand The start is the loss of spectators - probably because they tire of speedway. Then the stadium closes because it is no longer financially viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 8:10 AM, gustix said: The start is the loss of spectators - probably because they tire of speedway. Then the stadium closes because it is no longer financially viable. Expand Plenty of stadiums were viable, but their land value was far more valuable than their sporting income. Norwich and Southampton were two of the earliest casualties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 8:10 AM, gustix said: The start is the loss of spectators - probably because they tire of speedway. Then the stadium closes because it is no longer financially viable. Expand On 8/25/2019 at 8:26 AM, cityrebel said: Plenty of stadiums were viable, but their land value was far more valuable than their sporting income. Norwich and Southampton were two of the earliest casualties. Expand Businesswise that appears to be a logical step then for stadium owners cityrebel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) If every sport needed to be profit making in order to continue existing then there would little to no sport about now and that includes the Worlds most popular sport - football! - Look at the current plight of 3rd tier clubs Bolton Wanderers and Bury as well as one of the biggest football clubs on the planet Manchester Uniteds ongoing debt. Indeed without many modern day football stadiums being multi use venues, football would be even more unviable! The universally more acceptable athletics has never been profitable! I do feel that certain things should go above profit making and money for the best interests of society. Stadiums should be included in this. Iconic speedway stadiums like Belle Vue, Exeter, Norwich, Southampton, Wimbledon, West Ham, the old Leicester, Coventry, Cradley, Oxford and probably quite a few others should have been listed and prevented from being turned into housing estates. Had indeed been the case then the sport today would undoubtedly be in a better shape. Football gets afforded this allowance cause of its popularity and local communities all over benefit from it. and Like I've said before on here, Odsal could be staging football, speedway and stock cars if ways could be found to make the venue more multi use? Edited August 25, 2019 by 25yearfan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 I don’t know how some of the Lower league Scottish football clubs survive with average attendances of 3 to 4 hundred people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Sponsorship/lower wages for the players/ rich benefactors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 1:39 PM, 25yearfan said: Sponsorship/lower wages for the players/ rich benefactors! Expand and don@t forget the gov't forcing HMRC to give tax discounts . just like wembley .all the non football taxpayers pay more for football than it's supporters ever will .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) On 8/25/2019 at 1:37 PM, topaz325 said: I don’t know how some of the Lower league Scottish football clubs survive with average attendances of 3 to 4 hundred people. Expand i think most of the players are semi-pro and have other jobs like our non-league. Edited August 25, 2019 by gee jay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 6:05 PM, gee jay said: i think most of the players are semi-pro and have other jobs like our non-league. Expand With the expecption of Falkirk all the clubs outside the Premier & Championship leagues are part time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 1:07 PM, 25yearfan said: If every sport needed to be profit making in order to continue existing then there would little to no sport about now and that includes the Worlds most popular sport - football! - Look at the current plight of 3rd tier clubs Bolton Wanderers and Bury as well as one of the biggest football clubs on the planet Manchester Uniteds ongoing debt. Indeed without many modern day football stadiums being multi use venues, football would be even more unviable! The universally more acceptable athletics has never been profitable! I do feel that certain things should go above profit making and money for the best interests of society. Stadiums should be included in this. Iconic speedway stadiums like Belle Vue, Exeter, Norwich, Southampton, Wimbledon, West Ham, the old Leicester, Coventry, Cradley, Oxford and probably quite a few others should have been listed and prevented from being turned into housing estates. Had indeed been the case then the sport today would undoubtedly be in a better shape. Football gets afforded this allowance cause of its popularity and local communities all over benefit from it. and Like I've said before on here, Odsal could be staging football, speedway and stock cars if ways could be found to make the venue more multi use? Expand One of the most recent casulties was the iconic art deco Walthamstow Stadium. A massive campaign to save it from the bulldozers failed. When the money men come calling to build houses, the writing is on the wall. If either Coventry or Oxford could be saved, it would be a big boost in these worrying times for the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Walthamstow stadium was iconic and was still turning over a tidy profit with decent crowds still watching the greyhound racing right up until its closure. Another place that should have been listed and the old speedway track was still inside the dog albeit tarmacked over. Walthamstow stadium could have provided the answer to speedways current lack of presence in the capital. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 think you will find only the front was listed hence why it's still there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 12:25 PM, BangerBoy said: think you will find only the front was listed hence why it's still there Expand Shame the rest of its gone. I worked over there a few times, it certainly had a touch of style about it. Even though i worked for the GRA, they treated me very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Pyszny Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) On 8/25/2019 at 1:07 PM, 25yearfan said: Iconic speedway stadiums like Belle Vue, Exeter, Norwich, Southampton, Wimbledon, West Ham, the old Leicester, Coventry, Cradley, Oxford and probably quite a few others should have been listed and prevented from being turned into housing estates. Had indeed been the case then the sport today would undoubtedly be in a better shape. Football gets afforded this allowance cause of its popularity and local communities all over benefit from it. Expand To gain listed status, a structure has to be deemed of 'special architectural or historic interest'. I'm not sure any of the speedway stadia you list fall into either category (other than for followers of the sport). Possibly West Ham? Football hasn't fared terribly well, either, despite its greater popularity, when it comes to grounds acquiring listed status. The odd stand here and there, yes, but not (I suspect) an entire stadium. Listed status is no guarantee of evading the wrecker's ball. Wembley's Twin Towers had Grade II listing, and look what happened to them. Many architecturally important (I hesitate to use that over-employed, therefore now meaningless, adjective iconic) football grandstands designed by Scot Archibald Leitch have been razed. For example, at Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Southampton and Sunderland. Edited August 27, 2019 by Piotr Pyszny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) On 8/27/2019 at 8:21 AM, cityrebel said: Shame the rest of its gone. I worked over there a few times, it certainly had a touch of style about it. Even though i worked for the GRA, they treated me very well. Expand I never saw speedway at Walthamstow Stadium but saw several short oval car (aka stock car) meetings there in the 1970s. It was an impressive stadium both exterior and interior. Edited August 27, 2019 by Guest spelling error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 8:29 PM, gustix said: I never saw speedway at Walthamstow Stadium but saw several short oval car (aka stock car) meetings there in the 1970s. It was an impressive stadium both exterior and interior. Expand Trouble with The Stow at that time was that it was Bangers with everything and very rare to see the Superstox which were always my favourite formula. Far too many Bangers and Hot Rods meetings for my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 8:29 PM, gustix said: I never saw speedway at Walthamstow Stadium but saw several short oval car (aka stock car) meetings there in the 1970s. It was an impressive stadium both exterior and interior. Expand On 8/27/2019 at 8:33 PM, Chris116 said: Trouble with The Stow at that time was that it was Bangers with everything and very rare to see the Superstox which were always my favourite formula. Far too many Bangers and Hot Rods meetings for my liking. Expand I tend to agree Chris116. i always liked the superstox - my favourite driver was the late Tony Roots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 8:51 PM, gustix said: I tend to agree Chris116. i always liked the superstox - my favourite driver was the late Tony Roots. Expand Tony was a very good driver in a number of formulae and a very nice person who I was very happy to call a friend. There are still three of the Roots family in the Superstox , Chris, Nick and Dan. They are all star grade drivers with Nick currently holding the European, National and English Championship titles as well as being top of the points at the end of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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