TheScotsman Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Wow that was exciting. I couldn't cope with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) That's normaly as good as it gets at Foxhall, in fact that's a good race. It actually had a genuine pass after the first corner, those are rare at Foxhall Edited August 19, 2019 by Baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Bomber is a good example of why I think they should change the rules with regards to team building. I've probably said this countless times but when a rider loses his job and he's actually slightly improved his average (usually a 6 or 7) just so teams can get one main rider out... it's unfair So what they should do is simple and helps teams be competitive... For example I'll use Bomber and Allen Say Bombers season start average was 8 but now its 5 His club should be able to move him out and bring in a rider to the equivalent of his starting averages, what the other riders averages are or total team points is irrelevant against that one rider So Ipswich should be allowed to release him and replace with someone averaging 8 or less... Now what will make team building and changes interesting... bomber is under performing but witches are allowed to replace him on his start average, but when released other clubs can sign bomber on his current average of 5. Now look at Allen, say he started on a 4 but is now 6, if Ipswich wanted to replace Allen then they can only replace with his start average so bring someone else in on a 4, if another club wanted to use him they would go with his current average of a 6 So what it does is, it protects the rider, increase your average and it's less likely you will lose your ride throughout the season, under perform and you put yourself at risk. Would certainly make team building and changes more interesting, the whole team building total should only be relevant before a wheel is turned i.e. to build a team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: Bomber is a good example of why I think they should change the rules with regards to team building. I've probably said this countless times but when a rider loses his job and he's actually slightly improved his average (usually a 6 or 7) just so teams can get one main rider out... it's unfair So what they should do is simple and helps teams be competitive... For example I'll use Bomber and Allen Say Bombers season start average was 8 but now its 5 His club should be able to move him out and bring in a rider to the equivalent of his starting averages, what the other riders averages are or total team points is irrelevant against that one rider So Ipswich should be allowed to release him and replace with someone averaging 8 or less... Now what will make team building and changes interesting... bomber is under performing but witches are allowed to replace him on his start average, but when released other clubs can sign bomber on his current average of 5. Now look at Allen, say he started on a 4 but is now 6, if Ipswich wanted to replace Allen then they can only replace with his start average so bring someone else in on a 4, if another club wanted to use him they would go with his current average of a 6 So what it does is, it protects the rider, increase your average and it's less likely you will lose your ride throughout the season, under perform and you put yourself at risk. Would certainly make team building and changes more interesting, the whole team building total should only be relevant before a wheel is turned i.e. to build a team So basically, if you sign a naff team then you can sack them all and have another go with the full limit still in play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 It's a different idea but I don't think it would make much difference - if a rider is under-performing they are at risk of being dropped now and no-one would usually drop a rider who's increased his average. i think the downside to the current system is the use of the rolling averages and allowing clubs to drop/sign riders willy nilly. There was a good article on this in last weeks' Speedway Star. There's no loyalty shown by most clubs anymore, so why should riders. Fans don't get to follow/relate to them either as it's all so transient. Also, there should be some employment protection, in exchange for lower wages maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, JCookie said: So basically, if you sign a naff team then you can sack them all and have another go with the full limit still in play? To be fair and I'm sure someone will, how many riders have increased/decreased their averages and when you say sign a naff team... I can't see why anyone would not sign the best team possible from the start it just opens up possibilities... The ones who usually lose out having increased their averages are the lower order riders at least this may protect them in a way... Perhaps someone might come on here and under my idea state what they do with the witches right now and see if they look any stronger for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: To be fair and I'm sure someone will, how many riders have increased/decreased their averages and when you say sign a naff team... I can't see why anyone would not sign the best team possible from the start it just opens up possibilities... The ones who usually lose out having increased their averages are the lower order riders at least this may protect them in a way... Perhaps someone might come on here and under my idea state what they do with the witches right now and see if they look any stronger for it. I agree that nobody sets to sign a poor side, but if you do happen to do that then I feel you should live with the consequences. Looking at it objectively, the signing of Harris was probably never going to end well and therefore Ipswich should not be allowed to replace an 8 point rider with a new 8 point rider, because their original selection has dropped 3 points off his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: To be fair and I'm sure someone will, how many riders have increased/decreased their averages and when you say sign a naff team... I can't see why anyone would not sign the best team possible from the start it just opens up possibilities... The ones who usually lose out having increased their averages are the lower order riders at least this may protect them in a way... Perhaps someone might come on here and under my idea state what they do with the witches right now and see if they look any stronger for it. Bomber is only riding for Ipswich on sufferance! he should be riding for Peterborough. Maybe Poole can sign him on a 5 to replace Worrall!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 If we go back in time there were not many alternatives were there, feel sorry for Peterborough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pob Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 6 hours ago, foreverblue said: Bomber is only riding for Ipswich on sufferance! he should be riding for Peterborough. Maybe Poole can sign him on a 5 to replace Worrall!! And you think most witches fans wanted him knowing what he was liked based on past performances. IMO it was all a big smoke screen so Cook would end up at KL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Pob said: And you think most witches fans wanted him knowing what he was liked based on past performances. IMO it was all a big smoke screen so Cook would end up at KL. So everyone at Ipswich wanted Tungate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pob Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, foreverblue said: So everyone at Ipswich wanted Tungate! Oh of course we'd love another rider who can't ride Foxhall. More chance of the Queen riding for the Witches than Tungate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Would she come in on a 3 or 2 average? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 Maybe they should use the combined home and away averages for team building only. You ride your home matches using home averages only and away using away only. So if you took the Ipswich team Harris would ride at number 1 away but be a reserve for the home matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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