stevebrum Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: I would say that statement was spot on. How was it? They mention the marshals on the inside with red flags but no mention of the have-a-go hero who put himself in real danger? Yet they say the support all staff so obviously feel it’s ok to have a marshal on track putting himself at danger?? Saying that Glasgow didn’t say anything about the track on the track walk. Completely irrelevant. They reported it to the ref who ordered remedial work. So why they felt a need to mention they said nothing before is complete hot air. A mention of Cook weaving in and out of track staff and kids??? Really. I’ve not seen any comments from those there who said that happened. A lot of facts littered with bias. They say Kennett should face anywhere near the same punishment as Cook or others?? Really?? Wading in like a thug proves he deserves no less. Quite a lot of bias and none facts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, stevebrum said: How was it? They mention the marshals on the inside with red flags but no mention of the have-a-go hero who put himself in real danger? Yet they say the support all staff so obviously feel it’s ok to have a marshal on track putting himself at danger?? Saying that Glasgow didn’t say anything about the track on the track walk. Completely irrelevant. They reported it to the ref who ordered remedial work. So why they felt a need to mention they said nothing before is complete hot air. A mention of Cook weaving in and out of track staff and kids??? Really. I’ve not seen any comments from those there who said that happened. A lot of facts littered with bias. They say Kennett should face anywhere near the same punishment as Cook or others?? Really?? Wading in like a thug proves he deserves no less. Quite a lot of bias and none facts. Seems everything Eastbourne should be exempt from any punishment, including the Dugards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Seems everything Eastbourne should be exempt from any punishment, including the Dugards Yes, seems so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: Yes, nice of Lawson to think of the kids and parents and make sure they were okay Rich has posted that he only spoke to his mascot and said that this doesn't usually happen. As Crumpet said , a man of integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, tyretrax said: Rich has posted that he only spoke to his mascot and said that this doesn't usually happen. As Crumpet said , a man of integrity. Shame, bet a lot of those kids were looking forward to the next meet till they were told that 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I would say that statement was spot on. Obviously not,according to Lawson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, stevebrum said: A mention of Cook weaving in and out of track staff and kids??? Really. I’ve not seen any comments from those there who said that happened. Probably because the statement doesn’t mention that - Because it didn’t happen, which is why you haven’t seen any comments from those who were there. Edited August 14, 2019 by woofers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, woofers said: Probably because the statement doesn’t mention that - Because it didn’t happen, which is why you haven’t seen any comments from those who were there. It stats that in the statement. Craig Cook chose to ignore all Red Flags and Lights, did not reduce his speed before riding in to and around the 1st / 2nd turn towards his teammates, the Eastbourne Team and Mascots and Track Officials at his point of departure. ’riding into and around’ could be classified as weaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Read it again - “riding in to and around the 1st / 2nd turn towards...” “Towards” is the key word here. He didn’t get as far as his team mates, the Eastbourne Team and Mascots. There was NO “weaving in and out of track staff and kids” Just accept that you have got it wrong, no matter how you want to classify or interpret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, woofers said: Read it again - “riding in to and around the 1st / 2nd turn towards...” “Towards” is the key word here. He didn’t get as far as his team mates, the Eastbourne Team and Mascots. There was NO “weaving in and out of track staff and kids” Just accept that you have got it wrong, no matter how you want to classify or interpret it. As I’ve previously discussed the statement is full of holes, and if you have to question what it means then it’s already causing doubts. just to be clear I didn’t believe for one minute he rode into or around anyone, not until the have a go hero decided to walk right unto his path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Regardless of the wording, Cook was entering the first bend at a fairly leisurely pace, the group of people were on the back straight. It's ridiculous to suggest he would have caused danger to those on the back straight. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Regardless of the wording, Cook was entering the first bend at a fairly leisurely pace, the group of people were on the back straight. It's ridiculous to suggest he would have caused danger to those on the back straight. He was going very slow and was slowing down and would have never caused an issue to anyone on the back straight Eastbournes statement just deflects everything away from them....right up to saying marshalls with the flags were at the edge of the track 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Got to love the statements of those that weren't there! By all means have an opinion, but please don't try to dress it up as factual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, woofers said: Got to love the statements of those that weren't there! By all means have an opinion, but please don't try to dress it up as factual. The statements made by those that were there have been found to be incorrect so they're a pretty poor judge as they got one look at the time and false impressions can be given. People are giving 'opinions' based upon the video evidence available which is as factual as you can get. Which funnily enough the SCB did. They didn't ban Cook nor even mention any element of endangering those on the back straight. The three were banned for violent behaviour, which is fair given the evidence provided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, woofers said: Got to love the statements of those that weren't there! By all means have an opinion, but please don't try to dress it up as factual. Well let’s face it that official statement isn’t accurate or factual either, selective facts at best. 3 minute video footage of the sorry incident means you don’t have to be there to make an informed opinion. I take it you believe every word of the statement as correct fact because you were there. Which at best makes you comments blinkered. Its pretty clear the statement put out is at best part fact, part ignore the obvious and part fail to mention the part others who were involved played (notably those from the home side). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Excellent statement!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Well let’s face it that official statement isn’t accurate or factual either, selective facts at best. 3 minute video footage of the sorry incident means you don’t have to be there to make an informed opinion. I take it you believe every word of the statement as correct fact because you were there. Which at best makes you comments blinkered. Its pretty clear the statement put out is at best part fact, part ignore the obvious and part fail to mention the part others who were involved played (notably those from the home side). Seems a lot more factual and accurate than the statement put out by Craig Cook in the Speedway Star which if you read the statement from Eastie properly it seeks it seems to me to make a non confrontational rebuttal to, and makes point they waited for the Hearing and have accepted by the finding of.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gavan said: He was going very slow and was slowing down and would have never caused an issue to anyone on the back straight Eastbournes statement just deflects everything away from them....right up to saying marshalls with the flags were at the edge of the track If he was 'slowing down' then he must have been going faster beforehand at a time when he shouldn't have even been riding the track! With the presentation always held on the back straight, Cook rode off into the 3rd/4th bends and then the home straight before entering bends 1 and 2 (where most of the fan video was taken). Red lights were on and marshalls were holding their red flags on the 3rd/4th bends and the home straight at the side of the track before he went into bends 1/2. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened in the 'fracas', (not forgetting it was all witnessed first hand by the SCB's Neil Vatcher as well as the ref!), none of it would have happened if all the Glasgow riders had stayed at the presentation line until it had been fully completed! End of. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, HGould said: Seems a lot more factual and accurate than the statement put out by Craig Cook in the Speedway Star which if you read the statement from Eastie properly it seeks it seems to me to make a non confrontational rebuttal to, and makes point they waited for the Hearing and have accepted by the finding of.. Cook is only going to give his own version which we can choose to believe or not. 13 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: If he was 'slowing down' then he must have been going faster beforehand at a time when he shouldn't have even been riding the track! With the presentation always held on the back straight, Cook rode off into the 3rd/4th bends and then the home straight before entering bends 1 and 2 (where most of the fan video was taken). Red lights were on and marshalls were holding their red flags on the 3rd/4th bends and the home straight at the side of the track before he went into bends 1/2. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened in the 'fracas', (not forgetting it was all witnessed first hand by the SCB's Neil Vatcher as well as the ref!), none of it would have happened if all the Glasgow riders had stayed at the presentation line until it had been fully completed! End of. But no mention of the marshal in the middle of the track who caused the fracas, only mention those who were in the right. Blinkered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, HGould said: Seems a lot more factual and accurate than the statement put out by Craig Cook in the Speedway Star which if you read the statement from Eastie properly it seeks it seems to me to make a non confrontational rebuttal to, and makes point they waited for the Hearing and have accepted by the finding of.. It should be completely factual and BV it's not so has to be dismissed as rubbish!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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