tellboy Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 So has anyone come up with a real ban yet for a rider who has had a dust up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 Doc - a good summary of what actually happened. It looks like Old Bob has the real ‘hate campaign’ - in particular towards Jon Cook, and by association Eastbourne. I think he was vindictive toward Lakeside when JC was there, so I think most of us can see where his issue lies. As I’ve said before, both Dugard and Cook were probably unwise and unprofessional in making their remarks and were making points directly aimed at Craig Cook. A better response would have been just to acknowledge the concerns and then let the riders prove the point on the track - which they did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 hours ago, A ORLOV said: So if the existing penalty is upheld or increased and KL have no meetings then the penalty should apply next season. No not really he may miss Glasgow meetings.Just because Lynn may not have any meetings you can't ban him twice for the same incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 Was there any repercussions when Scott Nichols and Emil sayfutinov got into a dust up at Cardiff about 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 woofers said: "As I’ve said before, both Dugard and Cook were probably unwise and unprofessional in making their remarks and were making points directly aimed at Craig Cook. A better response would have been just to acknowledge the concerns and then let the riders prove the point on the track - which they did. " I think we fully agree on this. Sadly typical of the childish 2019 Arlington promotion style. Dont recall seing Ronnie Greene , Fred Mockford , Charles Ochiltree , Charlie Knott involvedi na brawl on the centre green with any riders..... seems the Eastbourne promoters are all too keen to resort to physical assault on riders....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, old bob at herne bay said: woofers said: "As I’ve said before, both Dugard and Cook were probably unwise and unprofessional in making their remarks and were making points directly aimed at Craig Cook. A better response would have been just to acknowledge the concerns and then let the riders prove the point on the track - which they did. " I think we fully agree on this. Sadly typical of the childish 2019 Arlington promotion style. Dont recall seing Ronnie Greene , Fred Mockford , Charles Ochiltree , Charlie Knott involvedi na brawl on the centre green with any riders..... seems the Eastbourne promoters are all too keen to resort to physical assault on riders....... None of which would have occurred if cook (Craig) hadn't put his parts on about the track etc. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: I think we fully agree on this. Sadly typical of the childish 2019 Arlington promotion style. .. seems the Eastbourne promoters are all too keen to resort to physical assault on riders....... I think we can agree that Jon Cook should be more professional and grown up. Martin Dugard, I believe, has no connection with the promotion, he is not an officer of Eastbourne Speedway either - he is the owner / director of Arlington Stadium Ltd, as is Jon Cook. I don’t know if it’s the promoter or stadium owner who would be ultimately responsible for track preparation - I guess it would be the promoter as many stadiums or rented / leased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Badge said: None of which would have occurred if cook (Craig) hadn't put his parts on about the track etc. Love that saying is it exclusive to us East Anglians? Edited August 21, 2019 by Bagpuss 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: woofers said: Dont recall seing Ronnie Greene , Fred Mockford , Charles Ochiltree , Charlie Knott involvedi na brawl on the centre green with any riders..... seems the Eastbourne promoters are all too keen to resort to physical assault on riders....... Are you saying Jon Cook assaulted a rider then ? As someone else has already said, Martin Dugard isn't part of the promotion and he didn't trade punches with anyone from what i remember although he certainly was in the thick of it. Probably best to clear that one up maybe.. Edited August 21, 2019 by The Doctor... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 hours ago, tellboy said: So has anyone come up with a real ban yet for a rider who has had a dust up Well, a few years ago Richard Hall got a month's ban for assaulting Josh Auty after he reckoned he'd been naughty at Scunthorpe. And a couple of seasons later Rohan Tungate got a month's ban for assaulting, er, Josh Auty after he reckoned he'd been naughty at Scunthorpe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 barrie wallace ? made a comment about bringing coles (coals) to newcastle many years ago . dont know who he was trying to wind up , cos worky were the visitors and exeter were the visitors the following week .. announcers play their part in the nights entertainment at all tracks .. part of the sport , innit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 The Doctor .....should you be called Vale ? Tbh I have no idea who the promotion is at Eastbourne in 2019. YOU say it isn’t Martin Dugard. Others have told me that Mr J Cook isn’t a promoter anymore... but a director of something or other. Ian Jordan is another name that maybe a promoter. Paul Dugard seems to be involved.. maybe just a grease monkey in the pits? You missed the Martin Dugard “lunge “ at Claus Vissing on the Centre green filmed by a Glasgow supporter? Vissing banned for 10 days for that ......oh yes he deliberately broke the tapes ... oh yes he rode off and spoiled the parade ! So Doctor pray tell me who YOU think are the promoter(s) ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Love that saying is it exclusive to us East Anglians? Sounds dodgy to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 As the first person to act violently it's ironic that Cook has not served a ban but the other two have. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: As the first person to act violently it's ironic that Cook has not served a ban but the other two have. So what punishment did the muppet with the red flag get? After all, it was him that sparked the violence! 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: The Doctor .....should you be called Vale ? Tbh I have no idea who the promotion is at Eastbourne in 2019. YOU say it isn’t Martin Dugard. Others have told me that Mr J Cook isn’t a promoter anymore... but a director of something or other. Ian Jordan is another name that maybe a promoter. Paul Dugard seems to be involved.. maybe just a grease monkey in the pits? You missed the Martin Dugard “lunge “ at Claus Vissing on the Centre green filmed by a Glasgow supporter? Vissing banned for 10 days for that ......oh yes he deliberately broke the tapes ... oh yes he rode off and spoiled the parade ! So Doctor pray tell me who YOU think are the promoter(s) ? Bob, when you post as "authoritatively" as you like to, you need to make sure you have your facts right. There were no lunges on the Centre green, all the 'action' took place on the track, at bend 2 for the first incident involving Craig Cook and umpteen others, and at bend 1 when Vissing felt he needed to come over and remonstrate in an incident in which he was not even riding, one that involved Newman and Andersen. As for the Eastbourne personnel, well it wasn't too difficult to find on their website : Club Details: Management: Eastbourne Eagles Ltd (Companies House Registration No: 11727388) Company Director: Ian Jordan: Business / Commercial Director Promoters (authorised by BSPA) Mike Bellerby Trevor Geer Team Managers: Will Pottinger & Trevor Geer Head of Speedway Operations: Jon Cook Club Captain: Edward Kennett Announcer: Kevin Coombes Official Track Photographers: Mick Hinves & Tiffani Graveling Track Record: 54.8 seconds 18/4/2008 Jason Crump 23/8/2008 Chris Holder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve0 said: So what punishment did the muppet with the red flag get? After all, it was him that sparked the violence! Give it a rest mate, we've been over this. The guy with the red flag walked away from the incident, at no stage did he use aggressive behaviour. If Cook and the others had waited for the presentation to end, I suspect none of this would have happened. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve0 said: So what punishment did the muppet with the red flag get? After all, it was him that sparked the violence! He got commended for doing his job and not reacting to being assaulted 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, woofers said: Give it a rest mate, we've been over this. The guy with the red flag walked away from the incident, at no stage did he use aggressive behaviour. If Cook and the others had waited for the presentation to end, I suspect none of this would have happened. I agree with you that if Cook and the others had waited for the presentation to end then none of what followed would have happened. However, I asked a genuine question about some fool with a red flag who walked in front of a moving bike without brakes - what punishment did he receive for being the instigator of what followed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted August 22, 2019 Report Share Posted August 22, 2019 We don’t know. Any recriminations aren’t likely to be made public. Perhaps being stood down from duties for x meetings. We’ll see if he’s there on Saturday. Or perhaps, no punishment but some additional training and advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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