Mark Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 8:21 PM, Hodgy said: Cook just idling back to the pits, after the wind ups. Flag man walks in front of his bike - receives a shoulder barge. Should have have been the end of it, both in the wrong. Until Dugard’s get involved, not unusual. Very tame compared to a blind vicious assault. Expand Dugard broke some bones in the crash. Looked a tame accident and no reason to hit Andersson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 Punishment should be a fine unless the club is also at fault. Glasgow and maybe Kings Lynn will ride without Cook which may take numbers off the gate. Weakened teams are no good for the fans or the clubs. Why punish innocent parties when they could fine the rider a fixed sum. Its going to rain this week which means a ban may also be worthless. No surprise Cookie comes back the day of the GP Challenge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 7:29 PM, Bald Bloke said: Ed wasn't part of the original incident, instead he ran 30 yards towards it, then started scrapping. It was nowt to do with him. I can't see how Louis or anyone else can argue against his actions that lead to the ban. Expand Pathetic comment from Louis. He is equally as guilty as Cook by sprinting over to act like a thug. No different to Cook. On 8/11/2019 at 8:54 PM, topaz325 said: Cookie returns for GP challenge . Expand Assuming the ban only affects UK he can ride abroad? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 7:43 PM, Trackrat said: Because you never go. Expand I've been plenty. Certainly seen all the league title wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 8:53 PM, Hamish McRaker said: Suspending these riders only causes more problems than are solved. Fines have to be the right way of dealing with it, together with appropriate levels of punishment for their clubs. To begin with, fine the riders their earnings from that match, then a percentage from a set number of matches from now onwards. Expand Team points deduction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 I just think it should only affect championship meetings nothing to do with our league jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 9:10 PM, Mark said: Punishment should be a fine unless the club is also at fault. Glasgow and maybe Kings Lynn will ride without Cook which may take numbers off the gate. Weakened teams are no good for the fans or the clubs. Why punish innocent parties when they could fine the rider a fixed sum. Its going to rain this week which means a ban may also be worthless. No surprise Cookie comes back the day of the GP Challenge. Expand Maybe Cook should use his brain for once and think about his clubs first. Only got himself to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 9:10 PM, Mark said: Punishment should be a fine unless the club is also at fault. Glasgow and maybe Kings Lynn will ride without Cook which may take numbers off the gate. Weakened teams are no good for the fans or the clubs. Why punish innocent parties when they could fine the rider a fixed sum. Its going to rain this week which means a ban may also be worthless. No surprise Cookie comes back the day of the GP Challenge. Expand why would craig not ride in the gp challenge he is not banned world wide only domestic speedway uk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) On 8/11/2019 at 8:40 PM, 2ndbendbeerhut said: But because the ref dished out a punishment nothing else could be done afterwards Expand I read on a news site a day or 2 ago that Dugard was banned from the meeting and fined £250, but can't find it today. I assume it was the ref because he was banned from that meeting on the spot. I think at the time the max a ref could find a rider on the night was £250, I might be wrong. Since then I have found an article stating that Dugard was expecting a long ban and started selling his bikes, but he got off on a technicality https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/speedway/4763280/Speedway-Dugard-delivers-grand-prix-upset.html You are right Beerhut. The technicality was the ref had fined him and banned him from the meeting. No further action could be taken http://www.speedwayplus.com/neg_martindugard.shtml Edited August 11, 2019 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 9:51 PM, lisa-colette said: Maybe Cook should use his brain for once and think about his clubs first. Only got himself to blame. Expand Sorry Lisa, don’t agree with you this time. Cook was slowly strolling to the pits, after several wind ups, with no danger to others. The marshal could have calmly guided him in instead of deliberately walking into a moving bike. The plank that then got in his face caused the mayhem. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 10:47 PM, Hodgy said: Sorry Lisa, don’t agree with you this time. Cook was slowly strolling to the pits, after several wind ups, with no danger to others. The marshal could have calmly guided him in instead of deliberately walking into a moving bike. The plank that then got in his face caused the mayhem. Expand the exit was halfway down the back straight so if the marshall guided him that way he was guiding towards the people still there. cook thought he could exit on the bend, marshall panicked, and then as you say, the plank Paul Dugard caused the ensuing mayhem . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 The Dugards seem to have short fuses. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 10:56 PM, Bald Bloke said: The Dugards seem to have short fuses. Expand Not to mention, Craig, Eddie and half the staff that work at Eastbourne speedway. Just my impression. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 9:58 PM, ray c said: why would craig not ride in the gp challenge he is not banned world wide only domestic speedway uk Expand you are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWaller Posted August 11, 2019 Report Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 6:55 PM, Arch Stanton said: Expand Good luck with that but if successful I wouldn’t get too excited - according to his Facebook page he’s off on holiday tomorrow now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 10:53 PM, The Doctor... said: the exit was halfway down the back straight so if the marshall guided him that way he was guiding towards the people still there. cook thought he could exit on the bend, marshall panicked, and then as you say, the plank Paul Dugard caused the ensuing mayhem . Expand Thanks for the response. Respect you were there and witnessed first hand. From the outside we can only view the video and forum inputs. In my opinion Cook didn’t start the situation, but he doesn’t take too much to react. As you say, was looking for an exit (pits) before the unnecessary scrap. Think the flag guy and hard men entourage put themselves in more danger than a guy winding down at very low speed. Health & safety!!! If not for the Dugard interaction(s), that created the ‘mayhem’, doubt we would have read so much about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 12:30 AM, Hodgy said: Thanks for the response. Respect you were there and witnessed first hand. From the outside we can only view the video and forum inputs. In my opinion Cook didn’t start the situation, but he doesn’t take too much to react. As you say, was looking for an exit (pits) before the unnecessary scrap. Think the flag guy and hard men entourage put themselves in more danger than a guy winding down at very low speed. Health & safety!!! If not for the Dugard interaction(s), that created the ‘mayhem’, doubt we would have read so much about it. Expand Agree - i think he was pretty wound up by that time anyway so any potential flashpoint was going to end up in conflict. Shame as it finished the meeting as a contest almost immediately pretty much as they were so far behind by the time he had his first ride under his belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 2:42 PM, Steve Shovlar said: That’s the exit from the pits. The entrance is halfway down the back straight. Expand Maybe so, but he was turning to enter the 'Exit' gate. I agree that the three riders involved should receive punishment, although I thought there was a fourth Eastbourne rider involved, but for goodness sake, Neil was at the meeting, and must have heard and seen the wind-up job being carried out by certain Eastbourne officials even before the riders went on parade, and they too should be punished. Just my opinion, and yes I was there as a neutral observer on a short holiday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 7:20 PM, geoff58 said: ironically b/vue could suffer for this ? in what was a difficult match against swindon a must win for both teams vissing was a poor reserve for them at NSS but now they can get a decent guest who likes the track ?? only in british speedway eh Expand Yeah Swindon have booked Wells!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 10:53 PM, The Doctor... said: the exit was halfway down the back straight so if the marshall guided him that way he was guiding towards the people still there. cook thought he could exit on the bend, marshall panicked, and then as you say, the plank Paul Dugard caused the ensuing mayhem . Expand Did Cook need guiding? Surely he could use his own eyes to make sure he didn’t ride into anyone? Unless of course anyone else on the track was as daft as the Marshall! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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