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Michelson qualify means no Danish permanent WC. I'd take him in GP's over NKI on current form but he's not having a good year in SEC.

Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened.

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6 hours ago, Col said:

Michelson qualify means no Danish permanent WC. I'd take him in GP's over NKI on current form but he's not having a good year in SEC.

Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened.

At Frickes current scoring rate had he raced all GPs he would be well inside the top 8, and Lambert made 2 semis so they ve not exactly failed to deliver. But then Tai has not won a heat in 2019 and that demonstrates how strong the line up is this year.

 

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11 hours ago, Col said:

 

Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened.

2 semi finals (& Fricke a final) Each!

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11 hours ago, Col said:

Michelson qualify means no Danish permanent WC. I'd take him in GP's over NKI on current form but he's not having a good year in SEC.

Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened.

I’m not quite sure what your expectations were but I don’t think either failed to deliver, they have won races and reached semi finals and a final which isn’t bad for young riders. It’s s tough, tough series with no room for error and I think they have both done ok. 

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On 8/5/2019 at 5:59 PM, norbold said:

Bomber is a great bloke and all that and a loyal servant to the sport and, in his day, was worthy of a GP place, but if he managed to qualify this year because he was a track specialist at this particular track, it would be such a retrograde step for the GP and I can't see it leading to anything other than further embarrassment for him in next year's GP series. Really, I can't help but think he should never have entered the qualifiers.

Can't disagree with that.

Always been a fan of his but he's not going to be competitive if he makes it back into the series. Can't fault him for having the belief that he can still improve but also needs to be realistic.

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On 8/5/2019 at 10:32 AM, JCookie said:

Not long now until one of the biggest meetings of the year, this could make or break next season's GP given the (poor) standard of the line-up. I've been able to get the following together based on posts on here, seems very little considering it's a fortnight away.

Martin Vaculik

Matej Zagar

Niels-Kristian Iversen

Craig Cook

Peter Ljung

Chris Harris

Robert Lambert

Pontus Aspgren

Anders Thomsen

David Bellego

Mikkel Michelsen

Max Fricke

Martin Smolinski

Kenneth Bjerre

Aleksandr Loktaev

Jurica Pavlic

Will Lambert be fit for this? Will Harris manage to get back in?

Fricke, Bjerre and Vaculik will go through for me.

 

such a poor line up this year

Michelsen, Lambert and Fricke please, would hate to see any of the other riders in next year's GP

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9 hours ago, tarkens said:

such a poor line up this year

Michelsen, Lambert and Fricke please, would hate to see any of the other riders in next year's GP

Why is it a poor line up? There is still a qualification system and these riders did just that (bar one usually as a home nominated wild card?). Can't really knock them for that, many more fell by the wayside or weren't picked to enter by their own licensing body. 

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Yeah, whilst I am a Bomber fan I doubt very much that he would ever be competitive at GP level again. BUT if he does qualify he will have done so on merit and no one can take that away from him. Be nice to see 3 brits join Tai but i'll settle for at least 1. I think Lambert will probably get a wildcard in 2020 baring injuries dropping a title contender out of the top 8.

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I dont get all of this 'adds nothing' to the field talk

Only 1 rider can be World Champion

In a field of 15 riders you are going to get maybe 3 or 4 who will struggle it happens every year

2019 Zagar, Lindback

2018 Cook , Pawlick

2017 Lindback , Pawlicki

2016 Harris

I want to see the best 15 riders in the world and dont care if some struggle in 2020 as long as they mix it. Riders have to come 14th and 15th

Personally i would rather have Zagar and Iversen ahead of a Bellego or Pavlic

 

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Would like to see Fricke get through - he put so much into his opportunity in this years GP's he deserves qualification, if he doesnt qualify he should get a pick for next year but thats less certain.

ALso Vaculik - if he keeps up his GP season he will be in anyway, but just in case of injuries he needs a banker.  He should also get a pic for next year if injured between now and end of season, but thats not a cert.

NKI and Zagar are always triers, would love to see them consistently on good form - both racers.

Mikel Mikelsen - think was runner up under 21 world championship few years ago (5 or 6?). A slow burner who seems to be hotting up. I would not be upset if he qualified. 

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IMO riders from the previous season standings 9-15 should NOT be allowed to qualify via the Challenge. They've failed so give others a chance! That said, Vaculik will initially deprive another if he does well as already pretty much guaranteed to finish top-8 this season

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2 hours ago, KrisB said:

IMO riders from the previous season standings 9-15 should NOT be allowed to qualify via the Challenge. They've failed so give others a chance! That said, Vaculik will initially deprive another if he does well as already pretty much guaranteed to finish top-8 this season

Problem with that is the Challenge qualifiers and final is usually held well before the final GP standings are known.

Vaculik is not pretty much guaranteed to finish top 8. There are 4 rounds left, an injury in his next meeting could easily take him out of the GPS, and it doesn’t take missing many meetings to take a rider out of top 8....... Tai only missed two meetings and look how far behind he is.

And surely we do want to see the top 15 in the GP series. That may include 9-15 finishers being in contention.  Couple years ago the cry was give Malik and Lebedevs a chance. Sure they were doing ok then, Lebedevs was Euro champion 2017. But what are they doing now, good riders yes, capable of beating the best on a good day, but their good days are not consistent enough to be classed as GP riders, IMO..

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It's a tricky one I suppose. I've been an advocate of not allowing the bottom 9-15 in the challenge before, but at the end of the day they probably are amongst the world's top riders. Just gets a bit tiresome watching Zagar, Iversen and Lindback have 1 good meeting in 5, with no genuine hope of ever becoming World Champion.

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11 hours ago, JCookie said:

It's a tricky one I suppose. I've been an advocate of not allowing the bottom 9-15 in the challenge before, but at the end of the day they probably are amongst the world's top riders. Just gets a bit tiresome watching Zagar, Iversen and Lindback have 1 good meeting in 5, with no genuine hope of ever becoming World Champion.

Yes, those 3 in particular just make up the numbers.....

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49 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Wonder if Robert Lambert will make his comeback in this  massive meeting ??

Probably his only strong chance of getting a GP slot for next year.   I think he has been outclassed this year (as GP season reserves) by Fricke.  There again, is anyone outside of the GP's setting the tracks on fire to warrant a pick   8 qualifiers + 3 from Challenge + Tai + Gregg....... that leaves 2 spots, Fricke for one.   All depends who qualifies from Challenge, if a rider qualifies from Challenge then finishes in top 8 gives another spot available.  So maybe chance for Lambert, but not a cert IMO. Another year wait for Lambert I think would do him good.

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