bruno Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Bombers had a cracking career and very nearly got to the elite, there was a spell (short maybe) when he was arguably riding as well as anyone but those days have long gone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Michelson qualify means no Danish permanent WC. I'd take him in GP's over NKI on current form but he's not having a good year in SEC. Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Col said: Michelson qualify means no Danish permanent WC. I'd take him in GP's over NKI on current form but he's not having a good year in SEC. Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened. At Frickes current scoring rate had he raced all GPs he would be well inside the top 8, and Lambert made 2 semis so they ve not exactly failed to deliver. But then Tai has not won a heat in 2019 and that demonstrates how strong the line up is this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Col said: Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened. 2 semi finals (& Fricke a final) Each! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Col said: Michelson qualify means no Danish permanent WC. I'd take him in GP's over NKI on current form but he's not having a good year in SEC. Lambert & Fricke have failed to deliver as reserves when called upon this GP season. But I'd take them over the others. As maligned & limited as he is Bellego was good entertainment in the SEC until he was Pedersened. I’m not quite sure what your expectations were but I don’t think either failed to deliver, they have won races and reached semi finals and a final which isn’t bad for young riders. It’s s tough, tough series with no room for error and I think they have both done ok. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 5:59 PM, norbold said: Bomber is a great bloke and all that and a loyal servant to the sport and, in his day, was worthy of a GP place, but if he managed to qualify this year because he was a track specialist at this particular track, it would be such a retrograde step for the GP and I can't see it leading to anything other than further embarrassment for him in next year's GP series. Really, I can't help but think he should never have entered the qualifiers. Can't disagree with that. Always been a fan of his but he's not going to be competitive if he makes it back into the series. Can't fault him for having the belief that he can still improve but also needs to be realistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 10:32 AM, JCookie said: Not long now until one of the biggest meetings of the year, this could make or break next season's GP given the (poor) standard of the line-up. I've been able to get the following together based on posts on here, seems very little considering it's a fortnight away. Martin Vaculik Matej Zagar Niels-Kristian Iversen Craig Cook Peter Ljung Chris Harris Robert Lambert Pontus Aspgren Anders Thomsen David Bellego Mikkel Michelsen Max Fricke Martin Smolinski Kenneth Bjerre Aleksandr Loktaev Jurica Pavlic Will Lambert be fit for this? Will Harris manage to get back in? Fricke, Bjerre and Vaculik will go through for me. such a poor line up this year Michelsen, Lambert and Fricke please, would hate to see any of the other riders in next year's GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 9 hours ago, tarkens said: such a poor line up this year Michelsen, Lambert and Fricke please, would hate to see any of the other riders in next year's GP Why is it a poor line up? There is still a qualification system and these riders did just that (bar one usually as a home nominated wild card?). Can't really knock them for that, many more fell by the wayside or weren't picked to enter by their own licensing body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Yeah, whilst I am a Bomber fan I doubt very much that he would ever be competitive at GP level again. BUT if he does qualify he will have done so on merit and no one can take that away from him. Be nice to see 3 brits join Tai but i'll settle for at least 1. I think Lambert will probably get a wildcard in 2020 baring injuries dropping a title contender out of the top 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 I dont get all of this 'adds nothing' to the field talk Only 1 rider can be World Champion In a field of 15 riders you are going to get maybe 3 or 4 who will struggle it happens every year 2019 Zagar, Lindback 2018 Cook , Pawlick 2017 Lindback , Pawlicki 2016 Harris I want to see the best 15 riders in the world and dont care if some struggle in 2020 as long as they mix it. Riders have to come 14th and 15th Personally i would rather have Zagar and Iversen ahead of a Bellego or Pavlic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 8 Days to go- it`s about time the FIM did the draw- or published it !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 Would like to see Fricke get through - he put so much into his opportunity in this years GP's he deserves qualification, if he doesnt qualify he should get a pick for next year but thats less certain. ALso Vaculik - if he keeps up his GP season he will be in anyway, but just in case of injuries he needs a banker. He should also get a pic for next year if injured between now and end of season, but thats not a cert. NKI and Zagar are always triers, would love to see them consistently on good form - both racers. Mikel Mikelsen - think was runner up under 21 world championship few years ago (5 or 6?). A slow burner who seems to be hotting up. I would not be upset if he qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 This may have been covered previously but no Poles? All eliminated or did they not enter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 11:13 AM, Cj69 said: Fricke/Lambert apart don't see anyone in that line up that will add anything to the GP line up. Most had their chance and surprised to see no Poles in line up. Col, see answers on page 1, post no 4 onward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisB Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 IMO riders from the previous season standings 9-15 should NOT be allowed to qualify via the Challenge. They've failed so give others a chance! That said, Vaculik will initially deprive another if he does well as already pretty much guaranteed to finish top-8 this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, KrisB said: IMO riders from the previous season standings 9-15 should NOT be allowed to qualify via the Challenge. They've failed so give others a chance! That said, Vaculik will initially deprive another if he does well as already pretty much guaranteed to finish top-8 this season Problem with that is the Challenge qualifiers and final is usually held well before the final GP standings are known. Vaculik is not pretty much guaranteed to finish top 8. There are 4 rounds left, an injury in his next meeting could easily take him out of the GPS, and it doesn’t take missing many meetings to take a rider out of top 8....... Tai only missed two meetings and look how far behind he is. And surely we do want to see the top 15 in the GP series. That may include 9-15 finishers being in contention. Couple years ago the cry was give Malik and Lebedevs a chance. Sure they were doing ok then, Lebedevs was Euro champion 2017. But what are they doing now, good riders yes, capable of beating the best on a good day, but their good days are not consistent enough to be classed as GP riders, IMO.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 It's a tricky one I suppose. I've been an advocate of not allowing the bottom 9-15 in the challenge before, but at the end of the day they probably are amongst the world's top riders. Just gets a bit tiresome watching Zagar, Iversen and Lindback have 1 good meeting in 5, with no genuine hope of ever becoming World Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisB Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 11 hours ago, JCookie said: It's a tricky one I suppose. I've been an advocate of not allowing the bottom 9-15 in the challenge before, but at the end of the day they probably are amongst the world's top riders. Just gets a bit tiresome watching Zagar, Iversen and Lindback have 1 good meeting in 5, with no genuine hope of ever becoming World Champion. Yes, those 3 in particular just make up the numbers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Wonder if Robert Lambert will make his comeback in this massive meeting ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Wonder if Robert Lambert will make his comeback in this massive meeting ?? Probably his only strong chance of getting a GP slot for next year. I think he has been outclassed this year (as GP season reserves) by Fricke. There again, is anyone outside of the GP's setting the tracks on fire to warrant a pick 8 qualifiers + 3 from Challenge + Tai + Gregg....... that leaves 2 spots, Fricke for one. All depends who qualifies from Challenge, if a rider qualifies from Challenge then finishes in top 8 gives another spot available. So maybe chance for Lambert, but not a cert IMO. Another year wait for Lambert I think would do him good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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