Triple.H. Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 If you had it the day after the final GP. 9 -15 from the GP plus the top 9 from the qualifiers. Winner takes all. Well top 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, False dawn said: I think I agree. But doesn't that support the argument that the Challenge should be after the GP season? The more current GP riders that take part in the plan B route, the more devalued the Challenge becomes. I know we still get 3 qualifiers from the Challenge, come what may. But we might have to go well down the finishing order to see who that is. And worse still, we won't know who those 3 are, on the night or potentially for many weeks. Surely the Challenge route was set up to provide a focused route for the top three riders to get into the GP series? Not as a safety net for riders in the middle and lower order of the current series. Top 3 in the GP Challenge qualify and Zagar, Iversen proved they are the best of the rest and comfortably top 15 in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Surely you want the best riders in the GP series. If that means 3 from the current GP series comes 1,2,3 in the Challenge then they are showing they are part of the best available. Other then that you not getting the best in the world racing. Which do you really want???? I guess I'll do what most politicians are doing just now, I'll tell you what I don't want. I don't want riders coasting through the back half of the GP season, already knowing that they have a guaranteed place in next year's series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Surely you want the best riders in the GP series. If that means 3 from the current GP series comes 1,2,3 in the Challenge then they are showing they are part of the best available. Other then that you not getting the best in the woeld racing. Which do you really want???? If Aspgren had qualified would you have considered him to be better then Fricke or Zagar or Iversen or Michelsen? Would you consider Craig Cook a better rider then Piotr Pawlicki?. Cook finished 4th in GPC last year while Pawlicki finished 6th? And how do you determine who the 15 best in the world are? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Triple.H. said: Maybe now that plan B has worked the shackles are off so they're riding with less pressure. They've both been pretty under par all season but all of a sudden they now ride to their ability If im honest i dont believe they have ridden under par Neither Iversen or Zagar would have been in my top 8 at the start of the season. Im not even sure id have had them 9th and 10th where they are now. I think riders like Madsen and Vaculik are higher then i would have had them and riders like Doyle and Tai are lower..... The only riders i might have had behind Iversen and Zagar would have been Lindback and Kolodziej......and being honest possibly Madsen and Vaculik maybe Laguta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, False dawn said: I guess I'll do what most politicians are doing just now, I'll tell you what I don't want. I don't want riders coasting through the back half of the GP season, already knowing that they have a guaranteed place in next year's series. They qualified fair and square - however this I very much agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 So, if Zagar and Iversen were coasting last Saturday in Teterow I cant wait to see them flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, False dawn said: I guess I'll do what most politicians are doing just now, I'll tell you what I don't want. I don't want riders coasting through the back half of the GP season, already knowing that they have a guaranteed place in next year's series. 3 minutes ago, RPNY said: They qualified fair and square - however this I very much agree with. This is not a personal vendetta. I have nothing against NKI and Matej Zagar. Their world ranking and if they are in the current top 15 in the world is not the issue. The GP Challenge is supposed to be about giving 3 riders, not currently in the series, a route into next years WC. Is that wrong? Current GP riders have 8 places to shoot at, and if through exceptional circumstances they miss out, a further chance of being given a wildcard. 8 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: So, if Zagar and Iversen were coasting last Saturday in Teterow I cant wait to see them flying. I refer you to where this discussion started..... 7 hours ago, Triple.H. said: Maybe now that plan B has worked the shackles are off so they're riding with less pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, False dawn said: This is not a personal vendetta. I have nothing against NKI and Matej Zagar. Their world ranking and if they are in the current top 15 in the world is not the issue. The GP Challenge is supposed to be about giving 3 riders, not currently in the series, a route into next years WC. Is that wrong? Current GP riders have 8 places to shoot at, and if through exceptional circumstances they miss out, a further chance of being given a Obviously your statement IS wrong, otherwise current GP riders would not be allowed to enter the qualifiers for the Challenge in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Obviously your statement IS wrong, otherwise current GP riders would not be allowed to enter the qualifiers for the Challenge in the first place. I was, of course, trying to invoke an opinion on how you viewed the current Challenge purpose. That is, it's intended purpose rather than what the rules allow. I guess I'm arguing that under it's current set up / timing, it is not fit for purpose. The GP series allows for the top 8 to progress to the following year with the addition of the wildcards. Along side that we have a process to encourage the best "other" three in the World into the series. My point is, that having a parachute, mid series, for riders that won't otherwise qualify, seems to be against the spirit and intention of the Challenge route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 9 hours ago, False dawn said: I think I agree. But doesn't that support the argument that the Challenge should be after the GP season? The more current GP riders that take part in the plan B route, the more devalued the Challenge becomes. I know we still get 3 qualifiers from the Challenge, come what may. But we might have to go well down the finishing order to see who that is. And worse still, we won't know who those 3 are, on the night or potentially for many weeks. Surely the Challenge route was set up to provide a focused route for the top three riders to get into the GP series? Not as a safety net for riders in the middle and lower order of the current series. By removing the top 15 riders from the challenge you are reducing the quality of the final 15 for the following year's GP. What is the point of that ? Do you want Pavlic, Smolinski, Bjerre, Cook or Bomber in the GP's because there is no Iversen, Zagar, Vaculik to race against. Non could win a GP in the current top 15 but Zagar and Iversen can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Mark said: By removing the top 15 riders from the challenge you are reducing the quality of the final 15 for the following year's GP. What is the point of that ? Do you want Pavlic, Smolinski, Bjerre, Cook or Bomber in the GP's because there is no Iversen, Zagar, Vaculik to race against. Non could win a GP in the current top 15 but Zagar and Iversen can. I have to agree. The Challenge should be at the end of the season tho. And there should NOT be a local wildcard. totally unfair Edited September 3, 2019 by RPNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, RPNY said: I have to agree. The Challenge should be at the end of the season tho. And there should NOT be a local wildcard. totally unfair the Pavlic thing is ridiculous on several levels. God help the GP series if he ever qualifies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Not to single out Pavlic it happens every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 9/3/2019 at 10:35 PM, RPNY said: I have to agree. The Challenge should be at the end of the season tho. And there should NOT be a local wildcard. totally unfair It’s about the same with SoN. Without an event in the UK, youd never qualify for the final... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 7 hours ago, f-s-p said: It’s about the same with SoN. Without an event in the UK, youd never qualify for the final... Woffinden and Lambert would qualify from anywhere, as was proved in last years final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 7 hours ago, f-s-p said: It’s about the same with SoN. Without an event in the UK, youd never qualify for the final... Assuming Woffinden was fit, you can't seriously believe that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 hours ago, BWitcher said: Assuming Woffinden was fit, you can't seriously believe that? Woffy this woffy that, Team GB is a ”one rider pony”. If they put you to qualify abroad, that would be it... They wont though, it’s all politics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Woffy this woffy that, Team GB is a ”one rider pony”. If they put you to qualify abroad, that would be it... They wont though, it’s all politics! Yeah, Woffy this, Woffy that. The last time we rode abroad with Woffinden.. it wasn't in a semi-final.. but the final. And we top scored, so stop talking absolute nonsense. What you're saying is, had we been in the other semi, Woffinden/Lambert wouldn't have qualified from a semi where Huckenbeck and Smolinski came 2nd.... Seriously, I thought you had some knowledge of speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Yeah, Woffy this, Woffy that. The last time we rode abroad with Woffinden.. it wasn't in a semi-final.. but the final. And we top scored, so stop talking absolute nonsense. What you're saying is, had we been in the other semi, Woffinden/Lambert wouldn't have qualified from a semi where Huckenbeck and Smolinski came 2nd.... Seriously, I thought you had some knowledge of speedway! From where did you qualify to the final? From where have you qualified to any of the finals since SWC and now SoN was introduced? The answer... from home soil. (Didnt check though... ) I admit I posted what I posted to stir the pot. I’ve made a similar remark before without any feedback. It’s about 50/60 like Matti the Great would say, about the fact that currently you dont have a strong enough team to do the job abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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