False dawn Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, HenryW said: Unfortunately for those boys, the challenge doesn't provide the series reserves any more. The reserves are just selected. Flippin' eck. So getting into the top 3 in the challenge is an even bigger deal than ever. At least if you missed out by an odd point, you could fully expect to get into one or two GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, JCookie said: The difference is Iversen, Zagar and Lindback have been proven to be not at the level of winning GPs regularly, or even at all. Aspgren, Pavlic and Loktajev probably wouldn't win a GP either but you never know as they've never tried. Just like you say with Kolodziej, you never know... So if these 3 would have qualified for next years GP series I reckon it could have been a very long series. its already been said, but couple years ago the shout was “we need new blood, put Milik and Lebedevs in the series”. Upon reflection, what would they have added. A full GP series I would imagine is tough. Few years ago Vaculik dropped out of the series, saying he will come back in a few years when he more experience. Now he is back......at what age...is he 27. Stick the youngsters in too soon and you not guaranteed entertainment as we like it. Madsen isn’t a youngster now, and he said he was too young last time. Same with Artur Laguna, too young before... he says that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, HenryW said: Unfortunately for those boys, the challenge doesn't provide the series reserves any more. The reserves are just selected. Hang on. If NKI or MZ should just squeeze into the top 8 this year, who gets their challenge qualification spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: So if these 3 would have qualified for next years GP series I reckon it could have been a very long series. its already been said, but couple years ago the shout was “we need new blood, put Milik and Lebedevs in the series”. Upon reflection, what would they have added. A full GP series I would imagine is tough. Few years ago Vaculik dropped out of the series, saying he will come back in a few years when he more experience. Now he is back......at what age...is he 27. Stick the youngsters in too soon and you not guaranteed entertainment as we like it. Madsen isn’t a youngster now, and he said he was too young last time. Same with Artur Laguna, too young before... he says that. This is all true. Simple fact is for all of the arguments on here about who should qualify/get wild cards, you never know how how anyone will be from season to season. Riders form can dip or improve dramatically. However For the most part there are 15 bloody good riders every year. Occasionally there’s a couple of obvious ones missing but that’s the nature of sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, False dawn said: Hang on. If NKI or MZ should just squeeze into the top 8 this year, who gets their challenge qualification spot? That’s what I couldn’t figure out. If Vaculik NKI and Zagar all crept in top 8 (and now they know they are certain next year will ride with more confidence) then there were 3 riders on 9 points. Surely they shoulda had a run off too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Stick the youngsters in too soon and you not guaranteed entertainment as we like it. Madsen isn’t a youngster now, and he said he was too young last time. Same with Artur Laguna, too young before... he says that. So true, and not just a case of "entertainment". Chucking youngsters in at the deep end - whether it's at the highest level, or even like when we had the compulsory junior in the BL - is a very dangerous game to play. It can actually destroy a career before it has started, by knocking all the confidence out of a person. It's okay saying that you need "experience", and that the only way to gain that experience is by competing, but if you are not avtually competitive, that can be very counter-productive. Remember, you can get "good" overnight, but you can't gain experience overnight... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, RPNY said: However For the most part there are 15 bloody good riders every year. Occasionally there’s a couple of obvious ones missing but that’s the nature of sport As we have said, the old World Final system was never designed to showcase the best 16 riders in the world; the GP system is. There will always be the odd exception, but you can't argue with what we have. Who cares how old someone is, or how boring you may think his style is? If he earns the right to compete, then good luck to him! Iversen and Zagar both continually prove that they are good enough to be in the GP series... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, False dawn said: Hang on. If NKI or MZ should just squeeze into the top 8 this year, who gets their challenge qualification spot? I think they just use the race positions count system...So in order it would be Thomsen, Aspgren, Pavlic and then Loktaev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Lambert andFricke apart,I don’t see any young up and comers in last nights line up.So where are they all at this level. Young up and comers, the likes of Drabik and Smektala IMO are not far off GP level, for me the two riders mentioned are above Fricke just Lambert by a long way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, HenryW said: I think they just use the race positions count system...So in order it would be Thomsen, Aspgren, Pavlic and then Loktaev. Aspgren won 2 races Thomsen only 1 tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 5th was Thompsen 02313 6th Aspgren 2313 d 7th Pavlic 20232 8th loktajev 32121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, sommelier said: Young up and comers, the likes of Drabik and Smektala IMO are not far off GP level, for me the two riders mentioned are above Fricke just Lambert by a long way Smektala didn’t take the qualifier seriously,didn’t practice at Glasgow and look like junior for half the meeting.Don't think Drabik is long way ahead of Fricke ,I would suggest the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, HenryW said: I think they just use the race positions count system...So in order it would be Thomsen, Aspgren, Pavlic and then Loktaev. So let me see if I've got this clear. If the top 3 from the challenge don't qualify from the current year, they go into next year's GPs and if we need reserves, they are somehow "selected". But if one or more of the top 3 do squeeze into the top 8 this year, we then look for additional qualifiers from the challenge. Not an awfully consistent policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, False dawn said: So let me see if I've got this clear. If the top 3 from the challenge don't qualify from the current year, they go into next year's GPs and if we need reserves, they are somehow "selected". But if one or more of the top 3 do squeeze into the top 8 this year, we then look for additional qualifiers from the challenge. Not an awfully consistent policy. What the hell is wrong with you??? This is SPEEDWAY we are talking about!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Smektala didn’t take the qualifier seriously,didn’t practice at Glasgow and look like junior for half the meeting.Don't think Drabik is long way ahead of Fricke ,I would suggest the other way round. I rate Fricke but it has taken him a few years to achieve his goal Drabik/ Smaktala are both class acts who will achieve there goal!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I rate Fricke but it has taken him a few years to achieve his goal Drabik/ Smaktala are both class acts who will achieve there goal!!! Fricke is only 2 years older than Drabik, it’s the last step that is the big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, chunky said: What the hell is wrong with you??? This is SPEEDWAY we are talking about!!! Sorry. I was obviously having an off moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Fricke is only 2 years older than Drabik, it’s the last step that is the big one. Fricke, Drabik.Smektala are all going to be GP riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, racers and royals said: 5th was Thompsen 02313 6th Aspgren 2313 d 7th Pavlic 20232 8th loktajev 32121 Poor Pontus. He certainly would have got 1 point as Harris was in the race. The form he was on he had every chance of winning it and the meeting. Sport can be so cruel sometimes. speaking of Harris why are the Brits so far behind getting the correct set up at every big meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, RPNY said: Poor Pontus. He certainly would have got 1 point as Harris was in the race. The form he was on he had every chance of winning it and the meeting. Sport can be so cruel sometimes. speaking of Harris why are the Brits so far behind getting the correct set up at every big meeting? That’s just the Standard excuse, basically they are not good enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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