James Carter Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 hours ago, HenryW said: The only Pole that I can think of that isn't in the series but can definitely be considered as in the top 16 in the World just now is Piotr Pawlicki. Unfortunately the PZM appeared to decided to punish the better riders, like Piotr, for standing up for rider safety earlier in the year, so he didn't get a chance in the qualifiers. What happened with the rider safety issue? Pawlicki is such an odd rider. You sometimes watch him and he looks like a future world champion. Some of the early season stuff in Poland he looked incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, James Carter said: What happened with the rider safety issue? Pawlicki is such an odd rider. You sometimes watch him and he looks like a future world champion. Some of the early season stuff in Poland he looked incredible. Some of the senior riders refused to race at one of the first league matches ,because they had issues with fence ect. and the Pole Fed did not put them forward for challenge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Some of the senior riders refused to race at one of the first league matches ,because they had issues with fence ect. and the Pole Fed did not put them forward for challenge. Think it was the Golden Helmet final that was supposed to determine the qp quali riders. With the meeting in Poznan never happening due to a safety issue with the track, the PZM allocated the top semi finalists to the qualies. Most top riders were seeded to the final, never rode so didnt get slots either... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurRudge Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 13 hours ago, Dave_minall said: A) he earned his rightful place in the GP therefore yes, he can. you do realise why he's not been in the GPs this year right? Show some compassion. Right don't twist what I fkn say, I have not said one thing about his wife or the situation he is in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Think it was the Golden Helmet final that was supposed to determine the qp quali riders. With the meeting in Poznan never happening due to a safety issue with the track, the PZM allocated the top semi finalists to the qualies. Most top riders were seeded to the final, never rode so didnt get slots either... Correct, but it was Pila (not Poznan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_minall Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, ArthurRudge said: Right don't twist what I fkn say, I have not said one thing about his wife or the situation he is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Hawk127 said: I totally agree. It seems a nonsense that those performing poorly in the GP can do so with the comfort of knowing that the back door is still ajar. No rider in the GP should be allowed in the GP challenge and should only be allowed in the following year if they cannot qualify on merit in the then current GP campaign. No wonder the sport is not taken seriously. You're totally right, what a nonsense speedway is. It should be like football where the top 8 sides in the World Cup are seeded to the next event.. All the others aren't allowed to qualify as they had their chance. Speedway fans... I despair at times. Edited August 25, 2019 by BWitcher 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Once upon a time the bottom half of the series automatically went into the challenge. As others have said if you exclude GP riders you risk weakening the field for the series. I too would like to see some fresh faces in the GPs but if they can’t beat the old guard in the qualifying events then perhaps they aren’t ready or good enough to get there. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Whoever is in the series it's almost certain there will be 2/3/4 riders who are adrift over the course of the season and don't really look like having a chance of winning a GP. I agree that it would be nice to see some new faces but if the likes of Zagar and Iversen qualify then they deserve to be there. Would be different if they were being given a wildcard year after year but if they are proving themselves as the best of the rest in these meetings then fair enough. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Cheese said: Whoever is in the series it's almost certain there will be 2/3/4 riders who are adrift over the course of the season and don't really look like having a chance of winning a GP. I agree that it would be nice to see some new faces but if the likes of Zagar and Iversen qualify then they deserve to be there. Would be different if they were being given a wildcard year after year but if they are proving themselves as the best of the rest in these meetings then fair enough. You're spot on.. point is, even at this stage of their careers, both Zagar and Iversen are capable of winning a GP. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 You have a Competition with clearly defined rules so you have to accept the winners. If NK-I and Zagar qualify on merit, fair play to them. I'd rather them qualify on merit than see the likely "wild card" handed to Hancock as an example. Wild cards for 2020 should be stacked in favour of some of the younger / newer guard coming up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 12 hours ago, KEITH M said: Echo those thoughts ...but I can’t believe what I have been reading on the unofficial Belle Vue fans fb page... Some fans complaining that he actually rode in the meeting at all because he missed their 2 league defeats this week .. ...unbelievable Every team has it's share of idiot fans. There were only one or two fans making those comments and they were quickly put right by others. Congratulations to Max on qualifying. It's a shame that meetings like this are not held on tracks that give riders better opportunities to race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchairfan Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Kenneth Bierre is my pick for a wildcard, has had a very good and consistant season in Poland, Sweden, UK leagues and current Danish champion. Showing he is back on top form. Had a flying start last night 8 points from first three heats and engine failure in final heat a touch unlucky but thats speedway. worthy addition to the series in my opinion.who seems to have slipped under the radar Edited August 25, 2019 by Armchairfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Anyone got the Heat details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Made the trip to Gorican. Superb stadium, the best speedway specific stadium Ive been to outside of Torun or Wroclaw. The presentation was absolutely great it really is a very nice set up. Took us just shy of an hour to get back to Zagreb after the meeting. I’d much rather see GPs held there than some of the current venues. Not that I want him in the GPs but have to feel tremendously sorry for Smolenski. Woulda been on at least 10 if it wasn’t for the flag mans error. Also was absolutely choked for poor Pontus Aspgren. Had his easiest ride of the night and was set to win the meeting and an engine failure put paid to that. sport can be very cruel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Cant believe the thought process on here of some people Iversen and Zagar on their day capable of winning a gp They got through on merit. Aspgren would have made it maybe but for engine failure. If he had he would have deserved it, but would he have been better in the series then Zagar or Iversen? Doubtful Smolinski as well was close and Loktaev........would they enhance it? Unlikely At the end of the day the other riders had every chance and were not good enough its simple really Seem to remember the clamour for Lindgren to be dropped out a few years back and look at him now Wasnt long ago people wanted Milik and Lebedevs.......how they have seen their careers go in decline Edited August 25, 2019 by Gavan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Crumpet77 said: http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/19283/sgp-challenge-gorican-24-2019 thanks, had a total mind blank there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Gavan said: Cant believe the thought process on here of some people Iversen and Zagar on their day capable of winning a gp They got through on merit. Aspgren would have made it maybe but for engine failure. If he had he would have deserved it, but would he have been better in the series then Zagar or Iversen? Doubtful Smolinski as well was close and Loktaev........would they enhance it? Unlikely At the end of the day the other riders had every chance and were not good enough its simple really Seem to remember the clamour for Lindgren to be dropped out a few years back and look at him now Wasnt long ago people wanted Milik and Lebedevs.......how they have seen their careers go in decline That’s all pretty spot on 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Hawk127 said: I totally agree. It seems a nonsense that those performing poorly in the GP can do so with the comfort of knowing that the back door is still ajar. No rider in the GP should be allowed in the GP challenge and should only be allowed in the following year if they cannot qualify on merit in the then current GP campaign. No wonder the sport is not taken seriously. Codswallop. The Challenge is a legimate way of finding the top 15 riders in the world and should be open to every rider. Those who finish 1-2-3 deserve there spot in next years series. Riders do not know if they are performing poorly in the GP series before competiting in challenge qualifiers so your theory is flawed. Vaculik doing very well, Iversen not far off top 8 so Zagar the only one in danger but he is only 13pts off top 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted August 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, BWitcher said: You're spot on.. point is, even at this stage of their careers, both Zagar and Iversen are capable of winning a GP. It would be nice if they could start showing it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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