Mike.Butler Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 I have tried to talk Dan Holt out of retirement...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, BigBoaby said: He's a bit of previous does he not, did he not wallop somebody GP early days Head butted Stefan Anderson live on Sky, and he was supposed to be a friend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 8:01 PM, gazzac said: Martin Dugard sprint ? Don't think he could do that when he was riding, not much chance now! Its irrelevant whether he "sprinted" or not, what is clear from that footage is sheer aggression advancing several yards and aggressively launching himself at another individual such that he was suddenly moved several yards back due to the thrust from the aggressor. That behaviour has no place on a speedway track or anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just read the Eastbourne "Club Statement" which it seems just intends to rake over the ashes and fan the flames. As previously commented, 2 paragraphs would have been enough to close the matter down. They haven't . What follows is a highly blinkered one sided view of everything that occurred. Lots is made of the Glasgow team waiting until the official referee arived before complaining about track conditions. That is the CORRECT PROCEDURE. Then plenty of "refuting" of pretty much everything. The lady doth protest too much. They can "refute" all they like but the bottom line is that their selected highlights of the events contradicts much of what I saw on the 2 minute video (now conveniently removed). i.e. Craig Cook chose to ignore all Red Flags and Lights, did not reduce his speed before riding in to and around the 1st / 2nd turn towards his teammates, the Eastbourne Team and Mascots and Track Officials at his point of departure. What I saw on the video was Craig Cook slowing up on entry to the first bend and then turning right towards the open pit gates on the 2nd bend where he collided with a marshall standing in the middle of the track with his right arm directing Craig towards he inside of the track towards the exit of the 2nd bend.... and presumably towards where the parade and all the assembled folks were standing ? I will agree that the ban of Eddie (Ed or Edward ?) Kennett was disproportinate. He should have been banned for 24 days for his premeditated sprint towards the second bend from the parade with only one intention ..... to fight with Craig Cook. What is NOT mentioned by the Eastbourne club is the failure of the other Eastbourne rider sprinting from the parade with Ed Kennett in the fist throwing to receive any ban, nor any ban of Paul Dugard for the initial verbal abuse of Craig Cook. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Red Flag said: Head butted Stefan Anderson live on Sky, and he was supposed to be a friend Hhhhmmmm...... Dugard does seem to have a violent conduct and/or temper problem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Red Flag said: Head butted Stefan Anderson live on Sky, and he was supposed to be a friend Sounds like a right nutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73I1Gek3yIw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Red Flag said: Head butted Stefan Anderson live on Sky, and he was supposed to be a friend Friend and team mate at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73I1Gek3yIw Can't speak for anybody else but personally I don't have an ounce of respect for somebody that behaves and conducts themselves like that. Its the same type of aggression in the clip that was shown by a poster a few posts ago at the Eastbourne track, whereby Dugard was clearly seen advancing towards a Glasgow rider and thrusting/pushing the Glasgow rider aggressively such that he was caused to suddenly move backwards a few yards. He obviously has a violent conduct and/or temper problem. The guy needs help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 There is plenty more footage of Martin Dugard involved in far worse incidents I have from his riding days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Red Flag said: Head butted Stefan Anderson live on Sky, and he was supposed to be a friend was it not a straight right to the face . i think it was .. no heads involved . think . you are wrong .. mr Anderson hit his head on his own toolbox on the way down as well .. another stirring it with fake facts . and you wonder why this thread has gone mental . everybody putting their own spin on things and basically not many of the fake facts are true , true ! i remember seeing that meeting on sky . Edited August 14, 2019 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Correct, it was a very cowardly punch on his team mate who wasn't even facing him at the time. Could have been a lot lot worse and seen Dugard jailed for a long time. He got very lucky that day, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, jenga said: was it not a straight right to the face . i think it was .. no heads involved . think . you are wrong .. mr Anderson hit his head on his own toolbox on the way down as well .. another stirring it with fake facts . and you wonder why this thread has gone mental . everybody putting their own spin on things and basically not many of the fake facts are true , true ! i remember seeing that meeting on sky . Screw the nut mate, have you been on the beer??!!! The essence of it is he assaulted the guy, decked him. Tell you what mate, if a guy decks you with a right hook will that make it ok??!! I can just see it now, says you: "I was assaulted by a guy, he decked me, if I could only remember how he did it.... hold on he didn't nut me he just walloped me with a slamming right hand and decked me, it was brill mate gimme some more o' that!!" (....big long queue) "Fake facts" my backside!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, BigBoaby said: Screw the nut mate, have you been on the beer??!!! The essence of it is he assaulted the guy, decked him. Tell you what mate, if a guy decks you with a right hook will that make it ok??!! I can just see it now, says you: "I was assaulted by a guy, he decked me, if I could only remember how he did it.... hold on he didn't nut me he just walloped me with a slamming right hand and decked me, it was brill mate gimme some more o' that!!" (....big long queue) "Fake facts" my backside!! i think you need to look at your own post and the quote in your reply to red flag page 55 . . i think it . was red flad that said it was a head butt on anderson . thats what i was replying to . somewhere along the thread someone has got mixed up ! Edited August 14, 2019 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Just read the Eastbourne "Club Statement" which it seems just intends to rake over the ashes and fan the flames. As previously commented, 2 paragraphs would have been enough to close the matter down. They haven't . What follows is a highly blinkered one sided view of everything that occurred. Lots is made of the Glasgow team waiting until the official referee arived before complaining about track conditions. That is the CORRECT PROCEDURE. Then plenty of "refuting" of pretty much everything. The lady doth protest too much. They can "refute" all they like but the bottom line is that their selected highlights of the events contradicts much of what I saw on the 2 minute video (now conveniently removed). i.e. Craig Cook chose to ignore all Red Flags and Lights, did not reduce his speed before riding in to and around the 1st / 2nd turn towards his teammates, the Eastbourne Team and Mascots and Track Officials at his point of departure. What I saw on the video was Craig Cook slowing up on entry to the first bend and then turning right towards the open pit gates on the 2nd bend where he collided with a marshall standing in the middle of the track with his right arm directing Craig towards he inside of the track towards the exit of the 2nd bend.... and presumably towards where the parade and all the assembled folks were standing ? I will agree that the ban of Eddie (Ed or Edward ?) Kennett was disproportinate. He should have been banned for 24 days for his premeditated sprint towards the second bend from the parade with only one intention ..... to fight with Craig Cook. What is NOT mentioned by the Eastbourne club is the failure of the other Eastbourne rider sprinting from the parade with Ed Kennett in the fist throwing to receive any ban, nor any ban of Paul Dugard for the initial verbal abuse of Craig Cook. How can they even ban someone for verbal abuse ? The scb govern the people that they control not randoms that may or may not be working for the clubs. I used to think your posts here had some semblance of sanity but this saga has well and truly shown your true colours. I've got the 2 min video if you need it. Or perhaps as a neutral who frankly hates both clubs, feel free to ask me as someone who was there and close. I hope Herne Bay is nice these day as you sound miserable as sin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, jenga said: i think you need to look at your own post and the quote in your reply to red flag page 55 . . i think it . was red flad that said it was a head butt on anderson . thats what i was replying to . somewhere along the thread someone has got mixed up ! WHO CARES!!!!! If you're ASSAULTED you are..... ASSAULTED!!! Jeeez. Re your point about the thread's gone mental, yeah it might help if folk didn't keep splitting hairs. You make daft claims about the assault being "fake news" cos you wanna split hairs about how it was achieved. Listen mate I couldn't care less. If somebody is ASSAULTED they are ASSAULTED. That's it. Re your point that I need to look at my own post and poster Red Flag. No I don't mate, I did (already) note the nuance of difference in how the assault had been achieved but had also (already) figured that... it DIDN'T MATTER, i.e. an assault is... an assault, regardless. I know it was Red Flag that mentioned about the assault, at least he made sense!! You then march on blabbering on about it being 'fake news'. The essence of it was it was an assault. If you wanna split hairs that's your problem mate. Christ you'd fight with your shadow!! Is your brain fake!! Edited August 15, 2019 by BigBoaby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 9 hours ago, BWitcher said: Correct, it was a very cowardly punch on his team mate who wasn't even facing him at the time. Could have been a lot lot worse and seen Dugard jailed for a long time. He got very lucky that day, Unless they rode abroad together , they werent team mates at the time. and secondly, Andersson clearly seen the punch coming at him. Assuming your talking about the Dugard/Andersson incident at Eastie in 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pinny said: Unless they rode abroad together , they werent team mates at the time. and secondly, Andersson clearly seen the punch coming at him. Assuming your talking about the Dugard/Andersson incident at Eastie in 1999. You're right my apologies, Andersson was at Kings Lynn that year having spent 5 years at Eastie. Either way the point still stands, despicable display from Dugard and one in which he got very very lucky. Andersson could have suffered serious injuries from hitting his head on the way down. Absolute BS Andersson saw the punch coming towards him, he was half turned away at the time and had zero time to react or defend himself at all. It was a despicable assault. Nothing at all like Ice Hockey for example where players drop the gloves to signify a fight. Edited August 15, 2019 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pinny said: Andersson clearly seen the punch coming at him. Ah well that makes it alright then!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, BWitcher said: You're right my apologies, Andersson was at Kings Lynn that year having spent 5 years at Eastie. Either way the point still stands, despicable display from Dugard and one in which he got very very lucky. Andersson could have suffered serious injuries from hitting his head on the way down. Absolute BS Andersson saw the punch coming towards him, he was half turned away at the time and had zero time to react or defend himself at all. It was a despicable assault. Nothing at all like Ice Hockey for example where players drop the gloves to signify a fight. Doesnt make it right no but he wasnt facing anyway from him when the punch was thrown. So he did see it coming . Also Dugard could of suffered serious injuries the way Andersson took him off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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