Eastbourne v Glasgow Semi Final

[HGould]

9 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

The simplest thing would be for the SCB to declare the result null and void and instruct that it be re-run at a neutral track. Belle Vue would be a sensible alternative venue as it is roughly 200+miles from both tracks. 

On what possible grounds having watched the excellent racing clips on SGB website and Eastbourne website would anyone have for declaring the Meeting "null and void" and re-running on a "neutral track".

That is the most ridiculous post I have seen for a long time.

What possible action on Saturday means Eastbourne can't have a Home Leg or that kind of absolutely ridiculous comment.

Seems you really are just a complete sore looser and the fact Eastbourne got 43 points at Glasgow and therefore warm favourites over 2 legs is just swept under the carpet.

Every post you have made in this thread is now outed for what it is "complete sore looser".

[SharpenRake]

2 hours ago, HGould said:

Sharpenrake 3 points

(1) have visited Arlington for many years as a brummies fan and our rivalry goes very deep over decades. I've never been treated with anything other than the kindest respect and positive welcome. Yes they are very partisan, but I don't think any of us need any lessons from Scottish fans in being partisan in speedway or any other sport. I can think of far worse and less safe places to travel as a visiting fan than Arlington (Dudley Wood, Brandon and Monmore Green made Arlington look like a Polo Club!) . Don't think a line was crossed from all accounts.

(2) you fail to reflect on what those who WERE THERE are all saying, a pre-meditated attempt by Craig Cook and Michael Max (Team Manager) to stir up ill feeling about the tRack. I've seen various race clips this morning on SCB and Eastbourne website and the track looks excellent and no issues with it at all. Certainly Craig Cook seemed to race on it fine once he had picked his dummy off the floor. Shame he didn't go out in Heat 1! A greater shame his Team Manager let him ride in Heat 15! to the loss of possible earning to a team mate as meeting was over.

(3) Craig Cook has a well documented history of mood swings, he can be a nice guy one week and a complete tool the next and Michael Max is well known in the Sport (not to be confused as a Karlsson brother) as a wind up merchant. I'm sure that supporters of many Clubs will be aware of his antics.

Maybe wise that you accept that Craig Cook was partially in the wrong, Glasgow tried to intimidate for 60-90 minutes but came up against a Club that won't be intimidated and that the subsequent punch up did neither Club any favours at all. As for Jon Cook, he is like Michael Max a complete wind up merchant and clown. 

Glasgow started it, Eastbourne finished it. simple as that! 

 

 

 

1) you are choosing to ignore the concerns expressed by Glasgow fans who I repeat said they were glad to get out in one piece. Quite frankly what you or I have experienced in the past are of no consequence. 

2) just because someone doesn't fall off and doesn't get badly injured doesn't mean a track is safe. You will drive to work over a road full of pot holes but it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with the road. 

3) what has your assessment ofCraig and Michael's history, whether accurate or not, go to do with it. I, and as others have already said, could say Eastbourne has a history of intimidation going back to the days of Bobby Dugard. 

As for Glasgow trying to intimidate Eastbourne that is ludicrous. As I keep repeating Glasgow were never going to qualify after the result of the first leg and Paul's injury. We just wanted to turn up, try our best and get back home safely for the rest of the season. 

[HGould]

if you can untie yourself from those knots you have tied yourself in you might have some chance of digging yourself out of the "sore loser" hole that's so deep.

 

 

[SharpenRake]

14 minutes ago, HGould said:

On what possible grounds having watched the excellent racing clips on SGB website and Eastbourne website would anyone have for declaring the Meeting "null and void" and re-running on a "neutral track".

That is the most ridiculous post I have seen for a long time.

What possible action on Saturday means Eastbourne can't have a Home Leg or that kind of absolutely ridiculous comment.

Seems you really are just a complete sore looser and the fact Eastbourne got 43 points at Glasgow and therefore warm favourites over 2 legs is just swept under the carpet.

Every post you have made in this thread is now outed for what it is "complete sore looser".

OK I just wanted to get a reaction and I'm disappointed that only you responded. However yet another person who is incapable of reading posts. For a start I am not looser more stiff than loose. But you probably meant loser and if you read my posts no one from Glasgow thought they would qualify but then no one thought they would be treated the way they were from the moment they arrived until they left. 

[jenga]

47 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

The simplest thing would be for the SCB to declare the result null and void and instruct that it be re-run at a neutral track. Belle Vue would be a sensible alternative venue as it is roughly 200+miles from both tracks. 

i am all for that , but lets have a proper rerun with the teams as they were and craig not being allowed in heat one as it was his choice to sit it out LOL .same riders , same team managers . lets have it @ northside . thats really neutral 

belle vue , isnt that where bickley rides and conner . i believe craig rode for some period of time there too . looks like thats a really neutral track , not .. 

so i take it glasgow would give up their fantastic 4 point lead then . 

see what  you have done there , you got me involved again with silly comments and suggestions . damn this sport ..

Edited August 6, 2019 by jenga

[hammer1969]

1 hour ago, Rob B said:

That's what I said to Martin Dugard last night why not post the whole video, he said he couldn't as was under investigation, so instead he just posted a short edited clip not showing everything that happened especially what his brother was doing.

Surely better to have posted nothing at all as it's under investigation as people on this forum who weren't at the meeting to see/hear all the events/comments etc from 6pm onwards leading up to the fracas on the centre green, the following 15 heats  and the interviews with Ian Jordan and Mr Facena so they are working out their own take on the proceedings, ie adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 5

Edited August 6, 2019 by hammer1969
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[WembleyLion]

There are still many things to clear up but to my mind having seen the video of Cook and the marshall I would blame the marshall for that particular incident.

I appreciate there are many other aspects to this as to what happened both beforehand and afterwards.

Good job the marshall didn't do it to Martin Dugard back in the day as I reckon he (the marshall) might have ended up a lot worse off!

[jenga]

18 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

OK I just wanted to get a reaction and I'm disappointed that only you responded. However yet another person who is incapable of reading posts. For a start I am not looser more stiff than loose. But you probably meant loser and if you read my posts no one from Glasgow thought they would qualify but then no one thought they would be treated the way they were from the moment they arrived until they left. 

EXETER ... that was a track everyone was happy on .

[SharpenRake]

22 minutes ago, jenga said:

i am all for that , but lets have a proper rerun with the teams as they were and craig not being allowed in heat one as it was his choice to sit it out LOL .same riders , same team managers . lets have it @ northside . thats really neutral 

belle vue , isnt that where bickley rides and conner . i believe craig rode for some period of time there too . looks like thats a really neutral track , not .. 

so i take it glasgow would give up their fantastic 4 point lead then . 

see what  you have done there , you got me involved again with silly comments and suggestions . damn this sport ..

I know I just couldn't help myself. Your last post was almost sensible and I thought I can't have that so I'll post something really stupid to see who might respond and so far it appears you  have another relative or two, this time in the south.

Edited August 6, 2019 by SharpenRake
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[jenga]

27 pages and still going strong ..

[lucifer sam]

As far as I can see, the only point is discussion is how long Cookie's ban should be.  I'd say 28 days.

You can't go around doing what's he done there.  He had plenty of time to throttle off and avoid the marshal. 

[jenga]

4 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

I know I just couldn't help myself. Your last post was almost sensible and I thought I can't have that so I'll post something really stupid to see who might respond and so far it appears you  have another relative, this time in the south.

how many times did you look @ your screen to see if i had posted ?  you wanted something stupid from me  and i gave it to you . . one happy bunny now ..LOL

Edited August 6, 2019 by jenga

[WembleyLion]

4 minutes ago, Richard Weston said:

Cook should have been stationary before reaching the marshal. He should have stopped long before that point.

Actually based on other accounts he probably should not have been riding his bike at all at that point!

My original comment was only relating to the behaviour of the marshall which is the only aspect I can comment on as it is the only aspect I have seen footage of. 

[jenga]

5 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

I know I just couldn't help myself. Your last post was almost sensible and I thought I can't have that so I'll post something really stupid to see who might respond and so far it appears you  have another relative, this time in the south.

funny you should say i have relatives in the south . Plymouth they live at,  ( ivybridge  ) ... are all your relatives being looked after by H.M.P. the P stands for prison and funny also that my relative is a prison warden . strange innit ?

[Grachan]

Just seen a video of this incident on Twitter. I would say the Marshall was at fault here.

He is walking towards Cook. Cook then looks to be going to his left - possibly to go into the pits? - and the marshall steps in front of him causing the collision between himself and the rider.

Cook was wrong to react the way he did, though, but you can understand him being annoyed.

Last time I looked at this topic I think it had 2 pages! Let's have a bit of a barny more often I say!

[lucifer sam]

2 minutes ago, WembleyLion said:

Actually based on other accounts he probably should not have been riding his bike at all at that point!

My original comment was only relating to the behaviour of the marshall which is the only aspect I can comment on as it is the only aspect I have seen footage of. 

In what way is the marshal acting incorrectly?  It's true that track staff should not be on the track during a race, but this wasn't during a race.  It's while other people were still on the track.  Cookie had plenty of time to slow down, but didn't. He disobeyed a red flag. 

[alang]

1 hour ago, SharpenRake said:

The simplest thing would be for the SCB to declare the result null and void and instruct that it be re-run at a neutral track. Belle Vue would be a sensible alternative venue as it is roughly 200+miles from both tracks. 

Surely the most appropriate punishment would be to ban both Eastbourne and Glasgow from the shield.Then ban Leicester because Stuart Dickson used to be manager at Glasgow then award the shield to Berwick as the only remaining semi - finalist.Also award it to Berwick because we"re nice - pretty useless admittedly, but nice.

[Solidmango]

11 minutes ago, lucifer sam said:

In what way is the marshal acting incorrectly?  It's true that track staff should not be on the track during a race, but this wasn't during a race.  It's while other people were still on the track.  Cookie had plenty of time to slow down, but didn't. He disobeyed a red flag. 

Since when did a red flag on a speedway track mean stop instantly regardless of where you are and do not move? A red flag is waved, they should slow down and return to the pits. The marshal clearly walks to his left into the line of the bike and deliberately causes a collision. 

[Fromafar]

1 minute ago, Solidmango said:

Since when did a red flag on a speedway track mean stop instantly regardless of where you are and do not move? A red flag is waved, they should slow down and return to the pits. The marshal clearly walks to his left into the line of the bike and deliberately causes a collision. 

Its all getting a bit repetitive and tedious now

[Solidmango]

14 minutes ago, lucifer sam said:

In what way is the marshal acting incorrectly?  It's true that track staff should not be on the track during a race, but this wasn't during a race.  It's while other people were still on the track.  Cookie had plenty of time to slow down, but didn't. He disobeyed a red flag. 

I'll give you a wee hand, this is straight from the SCB rule book, the only section mentioning the red flag. So, did the referee put the red lights on?!

 

14.14 The TRACK CURATOR (who must be formally approved by the SCB) ensures the track and all connected aspects receives timely and suitable preparation prior to and during a Meeting. a) They must be fully aware and responsible to ensure compliance of these Regulations, specifically Art.9.2.1 (provision of a fixed APD’s, spare APD Panels and Inflatable Pumps), Art.9.2.2 (advertising on fences), Art. 9.2.3 (Neutral Zone), Art.9.2.4 (Infield requirements), Art.9.2.5 and 9.2.5.1 (Inner and Outer Edge markings) and Art.9.5 (minimum equipment requirements and shale). b) confirm to the Referee by means of the Meeting Certificate of the type and quantity of Equipment available and that it is in working order. c) Assisted by Track Marshals ensure that the track is clear of all objects as soon as the 2-minute warning is sounded and that the Red Flags are shown immediately the Referee shows the Red Stop lights.