Guest Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, g13webb said: I for one would welcome a single league, with riders attached to only one team. Looking back as I often do , part of the enjoyment was the riders formed the backbone and strength of each team. Although the riders knew each other well, they would never be team mates within the team structure, and were looked upon as the enemy. My take these days is because the riders ride for so many teams they have a job to know who their own supporters are... But we mustn't think changing to one league would solve our all our problems, it would be just the start. We need to run British Speedway as it's own entity . Race on nights that suit each club and not be bothered about clashes with other countries or competitions. We want tracks that are uniformly prepared so to ensure decent racing. We want new rules to excite the racing and not be a hindrance or a time factor. No going back to the pits when the ref decides to call them back. So what if someone anticipated the gate. if a riders does wrong, let the race continue and exclude at the finish. They'll soon get use to the rules and the meeting would flow much better... I wouldn't stop the top riders from racing, but they race at our convenience not just on a night that suits their schedule... WE need to start again from the beginning to grow into a sporting occasion that people want to watch, and not live on past laurels... Some excellent comments there g13webb. Sadly I think that the sport has lost its way to such an extent it's impossible to halt what tragically is IMO an ongoing deteriorating situation. Edited August 2, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 It's very nearly Game Over in the UK. Even one Big League will not bring in new fans unless the racing is improved drastically ( and especially at the AFA King's Lynn ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 Sure 17 teams could be made up from the number of current riders around but that’s just playing with numbers. The Eastbourne promoter makes it clear that in terms of quality/skill/competitiveness/safety there are only sufficient number of riders to make a OBL of 14 seven man or 16 six man teams. The next question is what criteria should be used to establish which clubs are eligible to join the OBL. This could well be a more difficult subject to not only answer but also implement i.e stadium availability, race nights, financial stability, promoters being involved with more than one club? To name a few. Recent history had shown promoters tend to massively compromise on tough decisions meaning a watered down solution to most problems usually with self interest at the heart of the problem. So if speedway in uk is to be saved then maybe it’s not just a new league structure that is required but a new broom of fresh promoters who can see the wider picture of what is required to make a success of the desired and required change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, stevebrum said: I did it at the start of the season and there was nearly 30 riders short to complete all teams. 126 riders for all 18 teams. 77 for the Championship (which has now used a total of 108 riders so far includes some clearly not CL standard and released as such) 49 for the Premiership (only 18 top flight flight only) The total gives 126 if all teams come back to the table. However you can take out 18 of those If it’s an agreed lower standard so already you can see you are nearly 3 teams of riders short. Given the best case scenario of all 126 riders wanting to be back next season it would be near impossible to ensure a points limit that suits all teams and all riders getting a team place. So again very unlikely. Only unless team numbers are reduced to 6 per team would that be possible. There haven’t been enough of the right standard riders to fill one big league for several seasons despite many stating it’s what we need. And if there are so few riders, who would cover for injuries? And if we run on nights that suit our clubs, Friday/Saturday? surely that will rule out even more riders? Edited August 2, 2019 by Trees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, startline sid said: I am sure there will be few Swedish/Danish lads who would enjoy riding here - Aussies, USA, German, Italian, Czech - countries whose domestic leagues are not so onerous. Would need to co operation of the employment department though. We also need to control the amount of random sackings in search of 2/3 points a match. Bonkers and expensive. Cheaper equipment, better track/tyre interaction. Edited August 2, 2019 by ch958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 Maybe in the first year each club runs with r/r so one less rider needed. More money for riders then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Trees said: And if there are so few riders, who would cover for injuries? And if we run on nights that suit our clubs, Friday/Saturday? surely that will rule out even more riders? Exactly. This there is an abundance of riders attitude is just nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, stevebrum said: Exactly. This there is an abundance of riders attitude is just nonsense. We could have a regional set up, north and south. Then we could have doubling up again. I really will get my coat this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 The only way we can have one league in today’s Speedway is to dilute the teams sufficiently to make Speedway viable for all teams. It may mean saying goodbye to any SGP riders and allowing Britain to race on the night that suits each team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 Have said before on this topic (see Matt Ford piece) all valid arguments. The guy at Eastbourne is generally on more honest and transparent end of the spectrum, he is new and possibly very naive and not ground down yet by the old guard. One point he makes is very interesting and that is Eastbourne don't yet feel "ready" as they need a year to develop on what they have done this year, which has been pretty positive and successful. They are like brummies newly back up, but he may have struck on a bit of logic there. Is answer to announce a one league structure at next AGM but to leave 3 tier in 2020 and allow proper planning and preparation for 2021. It would be very novel and may be they bring in a Painter (GB Team) or Gould (BSI) to oversee it and go and find a proper League Sponsor and TV for 2021? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: The only way we can have one league in today’s Speedway is to dilute the teams sufficiently to make Speedway viable for all teams. It may mean saying goodbye to any SGP riders and allowing Britain to race on the night that suits each team. fine by me 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: The only way we can have one league in today’s Speedway is to dilute the teams sufficiently to make Speedway viable for all teams. It may mean saying goodbye to any SGP riders and allowing Britain to race on the night that suits each team. The only way forward if the essential revival is to have a chance of success. 18 minutes ago, HGould said: Is answer to announce a one league structure at next AGM but to leave 3 tier in 2020 and allow proper planning and preparation for 2021. Further delay to a re-structuring may leave very little that is viable, that can play a part in the plans for 2021. In November of last year in the Crisis edition of SS it said vital changes were needed for 2019! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, Gunner85 said: The only way we can have one league in today’s Speedway is to dilute the teams sufficiently to make Speedway viable for all teams. It may mean saying goodbye to any SGP riders and allowing Britain to race on the night that suits each team. And still wouldn’t have enough riders unless the standard is a hybrid of CL and NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigACE Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 And then if the one big league happens what will the designated meetings nights be ?. We are Mon/Thurs now. That suits most riders so that they can ride for their 2nd team. But surely when there is a meeting on the tv there should be nobody else in action. Sort of feels impossible to do that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 The thought of someone like Jason Doyle racing against a NL rider is really going to drive the fans away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, stevebrum said: And still wouldn’t have enough riders unless the standard is a hybrid of CL and NL. That would surely have to be the standard Steve.. I would go as far as five man teams.. No 1 - A current Prem/Champ Heat Leader No 2 - A current Prem Second String/Champ Heat Leader No3 - A current Prem Reserve/Champ Second String No4 - A current Champ Reserve/ NL Heat Leader No5 - A current NL Heat Leader/Second String.. Circa £3.5k the lot per night max.. £300, £500, £700, £900, £1100 per night per rider.. 16 teams, regional split, race home and away twice in your region and once in the other region, and you get 21 home matches ex play offs.. Just 80 riders needed would free up plenty for replacements for poor performance/injury cover.. Maybe the other clubs not in the 16 then run as NL standard alongside some 'second teams' like BV Colts, and run with six or seven man teams to increase opportunities for development..? Edited August 2, 2019 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, mikebv said: That would surely have to be the standard Steve.. I would go as far as five man teams.. No 1 - A current Prem/Champ Heat Leader No 2 - A current Prem Second String/Champ Heat Leader No3 - A current Prem Reserve/Champ Second String No4 - A current Champ Reserve/ NL Heat Leader No5 - A current NL Heat Leader/Second String.. Circa £3.5k the lot per night max.. £300, £500, £700, £900, £1100 per night per rider.. 16 teams, regional split, race home and away twice in your region and once in the other region, and you get 21 home matches ex play offs.. Just 80 riders needed would free up plenty for replacements for poor performance/injury cover.. Maybe the other clubs not in the 16 then run as NL standard with some 'second teams' like BV Colts.. Be something like the Danish league? Makes sense but that would entice me even less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 2016 10+ kroner to the pound 28 Danes in EL/PL 2019 8+ kroner to pound 16 Danes in PL/CL (and that includes riders like Hans Andersen and Ostergaard nearing the end of their careers and Agertoft/Tobias Thomsen. But notably none of the rising stars like Jakobsen (Freddie), Jeppesen, Sorensen, Birkemose or various Hansen's) I wouldn't bank on Scandis filling up the vacant spaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted August 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, arnieg said: 2016 10+ kroner to the pound 28 Danes in EL/PL 2019 8+ kroner to pound 16 Danes in PL/CL Is that because more Brits/UK Aussies can now double up due to the PL and the CL having different races nights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted August 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) Swindon in one league might have something like: Rasmus Jensen Ellis Perks Stefan Nielsen Josh Pickering Tobiasz Musielak Mikkel B Andersen Anders Rowe Quite an entertaining side. All have CL averages apart from Musielak. The 1.5 ratio is obviously rubbish. 1.25 is about right, making Musielak 7.95 and the team 42.15 (CL). Edited August 2, 2019 by DC2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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