lucifer sam Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Al Stewart said: However, viewed from the situation at heat 4, there appeared to be a problem. You would have needed a crystal ball to be aware that times were then going to improve, maybe of course you had one. There wasn’t a problem – the track didn’t even need a regrade before Heat 5. The times got slower because there had been light rain during the first four races, but the riders didn’t look in trouble – Ben Barker raced from fourth to second in Heat 4 without any problems at all. It stopped raining after the completion of the fourth race, so you don’t need a crystal ball to tell you that it will then start to get faster – a bit of common sense would suffice. To be fair to the referee, it was the quickest track inspection ever. I think he went down to the pit gate, spoke to both captains, who told him it was fine and then went straight back up to the box. Maybe it allowed John Campbell a couple of minutes to spend a penny or have a go on Rob G’s new Brum car. Good meeting last night, with Heat 9 the pick of some tremendous racing. Edited August 5, 2019 by lucifer sam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Albert said: Weather was fine leading up to meeting.... The odd rumble of thunder accompanied by a shower hit after heat 3, made the track a little wet for about four races. It wasn't too bad but John Campbell complained and wanted a halt in proceedings, bit of nonsense really,, his riders seemed okay with it...think he just wanted a breather. Weather and track was fine for the rest of the meeting. Thanks for confirmation that I really should have attended. Spoke to relatives living 25miles South West of Hull they said it heaved down for a few minutes, a few short showers then dried up, prob the band of rain that passed Scunny. If I'd travelled from home I'd have chanced it as the track does seem to take the rain well and Scunny are well sorted with plant to prep the surface. Oh well, still a few meets left.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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montie Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 when you watch that video it makes you wonder where the torrential thunder storm described in the match report was!! or maybe the clown writing it didnt know meeting was being filmed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 If that was John Campbell's idea of a wet track... makes one wonder how the hell the away meeting at Edinburgh on Friday even started...Did John complain then? No... It was well over watered, far wetter than Scunny was at any point yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Shame the video wasn't on wide angle as Sarjeant & Lawson were going at it hammer & tongs, & they're team mates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 10 hours ago, montie said: when you watch that video it makes you wonder where the torrential thunder storm described in the match report was!! or maybe the clown writing it didnt know meeting was being filmed..... The match report I read stated:- Heats 3 and 4 were raced in torrential rain causing difficulty for the riders to see with the meeting referee refusing to pause for the thunderstorm to pass over. A track inspection was called for following heat 4 purely to create time for the rain to stop and to allow the fallen water to soak into the surface. A sensible course of action which allowed racing to improve upon resumption. As the video clip you refer to is heat 8, any chance you can provide similar video evidence for either heat 3 or 4 in order to debunk the claim of torrential rain during these races? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 5 hours ago, cyclone said: The match report I read stated:- Heats 3 and 4 were raced in torrential rain causing difficulty for the riders to see with the meeting referee refusing to pause for the thunderstorm to pass over. A track inspection was called for following heat 4 purely to create time for the rain to stop and to allow the fallen water to soak into the surface. A sensible course of action which allowed racing to improve upon resumption. As the video clip you refer to is heat 8, any chance you can provide similar video evidence for either heat 3 or 4 in order to debunk the claim of torrential rain during these races? my point being that had the rain been `TORRENTIAL`` as described,it wouldnt have been as dry as it was in in that heat 8 video, which was i guess 15 to 20 mins after the described rain,sure it rained,but not as bad as described id say well done to the ref on the night for getting on with it,as what i saw,,not a single rider from either team complained,so well done them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 7 hours ago, cyclone said: The match report I read stated:- Heats 3 and 4 were raced in torrential rain causing difficulty for the riders to see with the meeting referee refusing to pause for the thunderstorm to pass over. A track inspection was called for following heat 4 purely to create time for the rain to stop and to allow the fallen water to soak into the surface. A sensible course of action which allowed racing to improve upon resumption. As the video clip you refer to is heat 8, any chance you can provide similar video evidence for either heat 3 or 4 in order to debunk the claim of torrential rain during these races? There wasn’t any “torrential rain”. It was mostly light rain during the first four races, although it did get slightly harder for a couple of minutes (around about Heat 3, I think). It was clearly passing, since the sun was coming out behind the main grandstand, and although times slowed, it was still possible to race, as evidenced by Ben Barker’s fourth to second in Heat 4. The track inspection called by John Campbell was a curious one. I guess only he will know the reason why he called it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 9 hours ago, cyclone said: The match report I read stated:- Heats 3 and 4 were raced in torrential rain causing difficulty for the riders to see with the meeting referee refusing to pause for the thunderstorm to pass over. A track inspection was called for following heat 4 purely to create time for the rain to stop and to allow the fallen water to soak into the surface. A sensible course of action which allowed racing to improve upon resumption. As the video clip you refer to is heat 8, any chance you can provide similar video evidence for either heat 3 or 4 in order to debunk the claim of torrential rain during these races? Well edited as here is the 1st 3 paragraphs Well Beaten At Scunny REPORT Sunday 4th August 2019, 7:53pm by Graham Muncie The Scunthorpe Scorpions were quick to avenge their 16 point defeat at Armadale on Friday night with a 56-34 victory over the Staggs Bar Monarchs on Sunday afternoon. The meeting had a mixture of everything with a delay to the start due to the paramedic getting the start time mixed up that allowed a thunderstorm to roll in leading to difficult conditions and a lack of track work meaning by the end clouds of dust rising. Heats 3 and 4 were raced in torrential rain causing difficulty for the riders to see with the meeting referee refusing to pause for the thunderstorm to pass over. A track inspection was called for following heat 4 purely to create time for the rain to stop and to allow the fallen water to soak into the surface. A sensible course of action which allowed racing to improve upon resumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: Well edited as here is the 1st 3 paragraphs Well Beaten At Scunny REPORT Sunday 4th August 2019, 7:53pm by Graham Muncie The Scunthorpe Scorpions were quick to avenge their 16 point defeat at Armadale on Friday night with a 56-34 victory over the Staggs Bar Monarchs on Sunday afternoon. The meeting had a mixture of everything with a delay to the start due to the paramedic getting the start time mixed up that allowed a thunderstorm to roll in leading to difficult conditions and a lack of track work meaning by the end clouds of dust rising. Heats 3 and 4 were raced in torrential rain causing difficulty for the riders to see with the meeting referee refusing to pause for the thunderstorm to pass over. A track inspection was called for following heat 4 purely to create time for the rain to stop and to allow the fallen water to soak into the surface. A sensible course of action which allowed racing to improve upon resumption. So still no one able or willing to provide video evidence of either heats 3 or 4 to let us judge for ourselves whether or not the description of "torrential rain" was accurate or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, cyclone said: So still no one able or willing to provide video evidence of either heats 3 or 4 to let us judge for ourselves whether or not the description of "torrential rain" was accurate or not? Contact MKJ Vids and you can order a DVD copy through their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/mkjvids/ In the meantime, take it on trust that while it was raining during Heats 3 and 4, by no means was that rain “torrential”. For starters, I would have dived for cover in the clubhouse, instead of watching the racing from the start-line, and then hiding under the ref’s box to fill my programme in, to stop it getting wet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 The "torrential rain" that came down posted by the Edinburgh media caused a soaking of the track leading to an inspection asked for by the Edinburgh manager & not by the riders. How long did this inspection take? probably less than a minute. Was there any standing water left after the "torrential rainfall"? No. Was there a need for remedial work to the track? No. Can an Edinburgh supporter come on here that was there on Sunday refute what we are saying & ridicule the media report as being a bit OTT? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 hours ago, IronScorpion said: The "torrential rain" that came down posted by the Edinburgh media caused a soaking of the track leading to an inspection asked for by the Edinburgh manager & not by the riders. How long did this inspection take? probably less than a minute. Was there any standing water left after the "torrential rainfall"? No. Was there a need for remedial work to the track? No. Can an Edinburgh supporter come on here that was there on Sunday refute what we are saying & ridicule the media report as being a bit OTT? You trying to get this thread up to Easty v Weeg levels? It's only a word fgs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 10:42 AM, lucifer sam said: There wasn’t any “torrential rain”. It was mostly light rain during the first four races You should know by now, it never rains at sunny Armadale. Therefore, even the slightest spit has to be classed as "torrential" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) It's called the Precipitation Index Schlein Scale. You'll often hear the acronym used when it's raining ... Edited August 7, 2019 by Bear_Bottom 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 7:31 PM, IronScorpion said: The "torrential rain" that came down posted by the Edinburgh media caused a soaking of the track leading to an inspection asked for by the Edinburgh manager & not by the riders. How long did this inspection take? probably less than a minute. Was there any standing water left after the "torrential rainfall"? No. Was there a need for remedial work to the track? No. Can an Edinburgh supporter come on here that was there on Sunday refute what we are saying & ridicule the media report as being a bit OTT? The remedial work or as it's known in the sport the Tactical Advantage Knobbling Equipment is often used following the Precipitation Index Schlein Scale in speedway. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 2:02 PM, Bear_Bottom said: It's called the Precipitation Index Schlein Scale. You'll often hear the acronym used when it's raining ... I think it was in evidence at Swindon last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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