MD Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Totally agree the Premiership has raided the CL. Whenever in trouble.I don’t understand why clubs keep switching divisions surely in would be better 1 league and a more meaningful fixture list. Where would the riders come from? Most riders currently ride for teams in each league. The Premiership is a glorified CL with the exception of Doyle, Lambert and Fricke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, MD said: Where would the riders come from? Most riders currently ride for teams in each league. The Premiership is a glorified CL with the exception of Doyle, Lambert and Fricke. This has been discussed many times, who knows, but it can’t go on as it is, although I can see a few teams dropping out the sport,the way things stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, MD said: Our last three matches have been excellent, well matched teams producing great entertainment. Our league is largely good with the odd exception (Birmingham, Edinburgh ). What we dont want is to rescue the Premiership as its on its arse and have all the BS that comes with it. The CL doesnt need rescuing, is its own product and has a good mix of teams. 13 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Totally agree the Premiership has raided the CL. Whenever in trouble.I don’t understand why clubs keep switching divisions surely in would be better 1 league and a more meaningful fixture list. Unfortunately not all teams can afford to compete at this level, and fans these days are not going to support a team that consistently finishes in the lower half of the table. Some teams may disagree c l doesn't need rescuing, Cost to put out 11 evenly matched teams could be greatly reduced just by eliminating the top two riders in each team. Don't think one big league is going to benefit British speedway short or long term, again amalgamation would only be to bolster premiership. Just a pity more promoters weren't prepared to take a chance and actually promote the sport, and improve things like Glasgow have done 4 minutes ago, MD said: Where would the riders come from? Most riders currently ride for teams in each league. The Premiership is a glorified CL with the exception of Doyle, Lambert and Fricke. If all the riders that had quit because they couldn't make the step up work were still riding you probably wouldn't be far away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, speed ace said: Unfortunately not all teams can afford to compete at this level, and fans these days are not going to support a team that consistently finishes in the lower half of the table. Some teams may disagree c l doesn't need rescuing, Cost to put out 11 evenly matched teams could be greatly reduced just by eliminating the top two riders in each team. Don't think one big league is going to benefit British speedway short or long term, again amalgamation would only be to bolster premiership. Just a pity more promoters weren't prepared to take a chance and actually promote the sport, and improve things like Glasgow have done If all the riders that had quit because they couldn't make the step up work were still riding you probably wouldn't be far away You have to remember the Glasgow Promotion are serious business men and money was not really a concern on bringing the Stadium and Team up to scratch.Credit to them for their interest and Professional way they went about it, but even they are saying the speedway must pay its way.Most Promotions are on the breadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 "Just a pity more promoters weren't prepared to take a chance and actually promote the sport, and improve things like Glasgow have done" This is not a dig at Glasgow as I believe they have done a tremendous amount for very little reward but no other club has the financial backing to go out and do the same. Speaking to a promoter recently who spends his own ( not the clubs ) money to do the little he can afford as his club losses money every meeting so has no budget for advertising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You have to remember the Glasgow Promotion are serious business men and money was not really a concern on bringing the Stadium and Team up to scratch.Credit to them for their interest and Professional way they went about it, but even they are saying the speedway must pay its way.Most Promotions are on the breadline. Absolutely! That's my point, the sport has to be affordable to all promoters to put out evenly balanced teams and then it should lead to decent entertainment, not one sided matches that supporters don't want to go to because they already know their team will romp to victory, except the glory hunters of course. As alluded to in my previous posts it should be about progression of talent through the league set up we have in this country and hopefully getting British riders back on the world stage, but to do that promoters need to work in one direction and not just do what suits their own agenda (as Glasgow could be accused of in recent times). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: "Just a pity more promoters weren't prepared to take a chance and actually promote the sport, and improve things like Glasgow have done" This is not a dig at Glasgow as I believe they have done a tremendous amount for very little reward but no other club has the financial backing to go out and do the same. Speaking to a promoter recently who spends his own ( not the clubs ) money to do the little he can afford as his club losses money every meeting so has no budget for advertising. Promoting each team might not always have to cost much money, giving away free tickets for kids in schools, could get an extra paying adult, for example. Doing nothing is unfortunately not an option (ever decreasing circles) as the ageing support dwindles away. Edited July 27, 2019 by speed ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, speed ace said: Absolutely! That's my point, the sport has to be affordable to all promoters to put out evenly balanced teams and then it should lead to decent entertainment, not one sided matches that supporters don't want to go to because they already know their team will romp to victory, except the glory hunters of course. As alluded to in my previous posts it should be about progression of talent through the league set up we have in this country and hopefully getting British riders back on the world stage, but to do that promoters need to work in one direction and not just do what suits their own agenda (as Glasgow could be accused of in recent times). i think you just invited 3 monkeys onto your back ..... hear , see and speak no evil with your last paragraph ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, speed ace said: Promoting each team might not always have to cost much money, giving away free tickets for kids in schools, could get an extra paying adult, for example. Doing nothing is unfortunately not an option (ever decreasing circles) as the ageing support dwindles away. Been there done that. 26 kids with 4 teachers and six parents turned up for the meeting , none came back, when asked why?.... "Too expensive" ( kids allowed in free every week) or " not my thing " . Some promotions do try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, jenga said: i think you just invited 3 monkeys onto your back ..... hear , see and speak no evil with your last paragraph ! Paragraph (Buster Rob and who?)or sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Been there done that. 26 kids with 4 teachers and six parents turned up for the meeting , none came back, when asked why?.... "Too expensive" ( kids allowed in free every week) or " not my thing " . Some promotions do try! Don't take it so personally, wouldn't like to even guess at how many freebies Glasgow promotion have given away in the last few years and to be honest it's a pity a crystal ball wasn't available to them as I'm sure it would have reaped better rewards if it had been meetings like the last few that newbies were watching. Also I'm sure they got a bit annoyed when regular supporters used them as if it was a bonus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, speed ace said: As alluded to in my previous posts it should be about progression of talent through the league set up we have in this country and hopefully getting British riders back on the world stage, but to do that promoters need to work in one direction and not just do what suits their own agenda (as Glasgow could be accused of in recent times). there you go . the words in brackets says it all . Hey .Hey .Hey .. its the monkeys coming to get me .... Glasgow posters ! Edited July 27, 2019 by jenga Do I need a reason ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, jenga said: there you go . the words in brackets says it all . Hey .Hey .Hey .. its the monkeys coming to get me .... Glasgow posters ! You have already tried stirring ,give it a rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, jenga said: there you go . the words in brackets says it all . Hey .Hey .Hey .. its the monkeys coming to get me .... Glasgow posters ! they couldn't even be bothered starting this thread, doubt they will be bothered reading it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: You have already tried stirring ,give it a rest. We no longer pay any attention . Back to last night . Interesting meeting , Cook peerless as usual , backed up by Rasser and Starky . But the amount of last places is getting concerning . Young Connor is naturally finding life tough in the Championship, but you can see there is a rider there waiting to happen , I think we all know where the real problem is though . Leicester battled away , Douglas recovered from his very harsh exclusion in heat 3 and was superb after that . Harris was a decent guest and Connor Mountain filled his boots winning easy points against our lower order . Thankfully for Glasgow Nicholls had a bit of an off night . Once again heat 15 was a classic and I couldn't have argued if Harris got the nod for third , Leicester probably deserved a point Edited July 27, 2019 by Paulco 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) Is Sarj on his annual average reduction phase? Edited July 28, 2019 by TheScotsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, TheScotsman said: Is Sarj on his annual average reduction phase? Looks like it , since his 3am nappy changing and burp the baby duties he hasn't scored a point. Sure he will be fine when he starts primary school. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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