Fromafar Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gazc said: Surely they can't continue with the stupid 38.5 team limit next season, it was madness this season it would be the same next with a huge dose of stupidity thrown in for good measure. Most riders will have inflated false averages because of it , common sense surely takes over and they see sense but will they ?. Common sense and BSPA your kidding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, Fromafar said: I know it’s harsh but Bickley should be more consistent, but the main problem is Sarjeant.You certainly can’t carry 3 riders. To be fair to Bickley he was mainly up against Connor Mountain who has a few years experience ahead of him. I agree about lack of consistency, he needs more speed and aggression when he moves off the white line. He has the style to carry it off just needs a shove however if there was a time to be under pressure this is it. With new averages out on Thursday we need to see where we are with Sarjeant. This is the way he is, we cant act all surprised when history is constantly repeated. Redcar will be another serious challenge next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Gazc said: Surely they can't continue with the stupid 38.5 team limit next season, it was madness this season it would be the same next with a huge dose of stupidity thrown in for good measure. Most riders will have inflated false averages because of it , common sense surely takes over and they see sense but will they ?. Agree Gazc. 38.5 too low. Boils dow to who has best 2 / 3 pointers. We see riders who bearly hold their own in NL struggling at reserve in div 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, Endeavour said: Agree Gazc. 38.5 too low. Boils dow to who has best 2 / 3 pointers. We see riders who bearly hold their own in NL struggling at reserve in div 2. These young riders are being thrown under a bus given team places due to the team limit and some are walking away because of it . Young Lawlor looked ok at times tonight but then was rarely seen after his fall. Must have been given an extended fag break in between the 8 heats he was missing. Seriously though another example of a young rider who has potential but is being used in this league not because he is ready but because of the crazy team limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) Really enjoyed last night it was a cracker. Think we are getting spoiled with some of the racing and despite not firing on all cylinders we are still unbeaten at home. Sarj is a real worry and surprised he got all 4 rides. Young Connor was given all the hard rides at reserve but never gave up and was never far behind. As for the Lions Perks and Mountain looked good and Harris scored more than Worrall would have got. Douglas after his exclusion got better and better whilst nichols tried hard but couldn't handle the speed of cookie and Rasmus, both unbelievable. And well done to the track staff for preparing a fair track despite the heat of the passed few days. Edited July 27, 2019 by SharpenRake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackHalifax Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Is the limit crazy ? Teams in this league need to cut their cloth accordingly. Should Cook, Masters, Worrall, Schlein etc be allowed in this league Strengthen up the premiership and create this championship to a level where no one over 7.50 is in this league. Then let teams race in the league that suits them Do not have a team total in top league as money ( lack of ) will prevent it getting too strong. Joe Lawlor et al will develop but no body gains from a personal or a sport or a spectator point of view of a meeting in which the number 1s race against the 5th to 7th average rider in a team. drastic but speedway is broken in all countries and someone needs to change direction and fast 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highroad119 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 As good as last night was I still think we will see better from the track when there's a bit more dirt on it when there's no threat of rain. Several riders seemed to struggle with visibility last night. Scott Nicholas wiping visor mid bend is unusual to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 i did mention the average limit ages ago , but scott nicholls and his legal team blew all that away when he came into the 2nd tier league . its up to clubs to stop signing big names on big money and end up with cash for themselves and for their club . i agree that some riders should not be anywhere near the championship league . i had a mate once who was overqualified for a job he was going for . he did not get it .... this is also the case for Nicholls , harris , schlien and many others who ride in both leagues i . read that glasgow fans are asking for kyle to be replaced , who the foo k with ? i think the limit should be 7.50/8.00 max average . if riders want to earn more they need to go premier league and STAY there . its not the riders killing the clubs off , its the promoters killing their own clubs off . they only have theme selves to blame . the price of entry for the product has reached and prob surpassed its max admission money . speedway next year , i would not bet on it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, jenga said: i did mention the average limit ages ago , but scott nicholls and his legal team blew all that away when he came into the 2nd tier league . its up to clubs to stop signing big names on big money and end up with cash for themselves and for their club . i agree that some riders should not be anywhere near the championship league . i had a mate once who was overqualified for a job he was going for . he did not get it .... this is also the case for Nicholls , harris , schlien and many others who ride in both leagues i . read that glasgow fans are asking for kyle to be replaced , who the foo k with ? i think the limit should be 7.50/8.00 max average . if riders want to earn more they need to go premier league and STAY there . its not the riders killing the clubs off , its the promoters killing their own clubs off . they only have theme selves to blame . the price of entry for the product has reached and prob surpassed its max admission money . speedway next year , i would not bet on it ! I don’t see Glasgow fans asking for Kyle to be replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 not so much as asking ,but saying he was slow and needs more aggression in his riding . he is just a kid on the speedway ladder hoping to make it . (soz . wrong choice of words ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bringbackHalifax said: Is the limit crazy ? Teams in this league need to cut their cloth accordingly. Should Cook, Masters, Worrall, Schlein etc be allowed in this league Strengthen up the premiership and create this championship to a level where no one over 7.50 is in this league. Then let teams race in the league that suits them Do not have a team total in top league as money ( lack of ) will prevent it getting too strong. Joe Lawlor et al will develop but no body gains from a personal or a sport or a spectator point of view of a meeting in which the number 1s race against the 5th to 7th average rider in a team. drastic but speedway is broken in all countries and someone needs to change direction and fast British speedway has the perfect platform for progression, i.e. a three league structure that if used correctly would be the perfect stepping stones for riders to develop. Unfortunately the points limit should have been dropped to this level 5 years ago, and also a maximum average put on riders to force them to step up a league, and stay there! Lost count of the number of promising riders I've seen at third tier level who have failed to make a step up to the middle league pay and have quit speedway all together, I'm sure at least a few of them would have developed further given time to gain confidence riding at a higher level. British speedway simply cannot afford to pay the top riders in the world any more, as is stated above, clubs need to cut their cloth accordingly, or they are simply putting themselves out of business Edited July 27, 2019 by speed ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, jenga said: not so much as asking ,but saying he was slow and needs more aggression in his riding . he is just a kid on the speedway ladder hoping to make it . (soz . wrong choice of words ) They call it constructive criticism nobody wants Kyle replaced where did you see that posted ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 That "fast track" scheme used by the top league a few years ago, whatever it was called then, didn't do much to improve things because it should have been done in the second tier but presumably the promoters didn't want it because they preferred to complete their teams with foreign rubbish. Now it's clear to me that it needs to be properly re-introduced to the Championship next season, with a mixture of protected heats and the riders being fenced-off from the rest of the team in the team building/averages. You just have a maximum team building average for 1-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, highroad119 said: As good as last night was I still think we will see better from the track when there's a bit more dirt on it when there's no threat of rain. Several riders seemed to struggle with visibility last night. Scott Nicholas wiping visor mid bend is unusual to see. It was sweat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Last night we had 2 equally matched teams with the racing from the top drawer, if not higher, and people are going on about what should happen with riders and averages. We should be trying to emulate whats happened at Glasgow trackwise at other tracks. Good exciting racing has resulted in good enthusiastic crowds with riders getting standing ovations and that includes opposition riders as well. Then you watch the dross that appears on BT, the Facennas must be wondering what they are doing wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Gazc said: They call it constructive criticism nobody wants Kyle replaced where did you see that posted ?. read my reply above your post ! i was thinking of my mate sarj when i wrote that . any how good to se he doubled his average to 6.00 as promised 2 years ago . stick wid him . he will be ok in the n.l . ! Edited July 27, 2019 by jenga Do I need a reason ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, SharpenRake said: Last night we had 2 equally matched teams with the racing from the top drawer, if not higher, and people are going on about what should happen with riders and averages. We should be trying to emulate whats happened at Glasgow trackwise at other tracks. Good exciting racing has resulted in good enthusiastic crowds with riders getting standing ovations and that includes opposition riders as well. Then you watch the dross that appears on BT, the Facennas must be wondering what they are doing wrong. Unfortunately I think televised speedway over the last twenty or so years has had a detrimental effect on crowd numbers. The racing at Glasgow used to be good pre 2011 track modifications, and only now is it getting back to, or even better than that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, speed ace said: Unfortunately I think televised speedway over the last twenty or so years has had a detrimental effect on crowd numbers. The racing at Glasgow used to be good pre 2011 track modifications, and only now is it getting back to, or even better than that level. The matches I have seen at Ashfield have been as good as it has ever been ,some cracking action on track even when no passing takes place.Well organised and well run set-up and good atmosphere.The sport is in difficult times though and needs a radical rethink.(doubtful),hard to say where it is going. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The matches I have seen at Ashfield have been as good as it has ever been ,some cracking action on track even when no passing takes place.Well organised and well run set-up and good atmosphere.The sport is in difficult times though and needs a radical rethink.(doubtful),hard to say where it is going. Our last three matches have been excellent, well matched teams producing great entertainment. Our league is largely good with the odd exception (Birmingham, Edinburgh ). What we dont want is to rescue the Premiership as its on its arse and have all the BS that comes with it. The CL doesnt need rescuing, is its own product and has a good mix of teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Totally agree the Premiership has raided the CL. Whenever in trouble.I don’t understand why clubs keep switching divisions surely in would be better 1 league and a more meaningful fixture list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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