Tai / Rosco - Team GB 2020

[Cj69]

Cookie might not have a chance to ride champ next season if he continues this form, he is currently averaging just over 11.  Can't see any team taking him on that average or sacrifice lot of points.  

Edited July 25, 2019 by Cj69

[Daniel Smith]

8 minutes ago, Cj69 said:

Cookie might not have a chance to ride champ next season if he continues this form, he is currently averaging just over 11.  Can't see any team taking him on that average or sacrifice lot of points.  

Glasgow took him on with a 10.19 average this year, a point here and there won't make a difference. Glasgow know Cookie puts bums on seats, he's the best in the Championship. He's well worth the value of an 11 average at that level. 

[James Carter]

13 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

So  you are  looking short  term???? myself i  am looking to the next generation's where do they come from.??? Last year we did well with just Woffinden/Lambert  was Rossiter crap then? This year without Woffinden were you really expecting much we need to get real.Even when Woffinden is fit he also is not unbeatable he needs more than just Lambert for support but who is next in line can you name them.?

The post topic is about 2020 so I was looking at 2020.

I didn't expect much following TW injuries and the crash. I'm not sure why you think that I did. For GB to do well and I would say that is to reach heat 22 and beyond you need a happy motivated TW and if that means a change in management then the changes need to be made

Longer term I don't see enough GB speedway to comment on what is been done with rider development. We will always struggle against the Poles to bring through as many top riders just because of the number of quality opportunities a young Pole will get given the popularity of the sport over there

From what I see GB speedway is that it comes across a bit unprofessional. I don't understand why the top riders are allowed to ride in Premiership and Championship.  I believe that brings our better riders down to the level of the lower league opposition. 

There seems to be too many small trick tracks and not enough big fast wide tracks. I think this works against GB riders making a success in Poland. 

However I'm sure it can all be solved relatively quickly. As long as there are still plenty of young riders with the appetite and drive to succeed then things can change. They just need to be given opportunities to progress to showcase their talents

Perhaps a tie up with the Swedish or Danish league to get some of there young riders over here and vice-versa would help our young riders take the next step

[Sidney the robin]

6 minutes ago, James Carter said:

The post topic is about 2020 so I was looking at 2020.

I didn't expect much following TW injuries and the crash. I'm not sure why you think that I did. For GB to do well and I would say that is to reach heat 22 and beyond you need a happy motivated TW and if that means a change in management then the changes need to be made

Longer term I don't see enough GB speedway to comment on what is been done with rider development. We will always struggle against the Poles to bring through as many top riders just because of the number of quality opportunities a young Pole will get given the popularity of the sport over there

From what I see GB speedway is that it comes across a bit unprofessional. I don't understand why the top riders are allowed to ride in Premiership and Championship.  I believe that brings our better riders down to the level of the lower league opposition. 

There seems to be too many small trick tracks and not enough big fast wide tracks. I think this works against GB riders making a success in Poland. 

However I'm sure it can all be solved relatively quickly. As long as there are still plenty of young riders with the appetite and drive to succeed then things can change. They just need to be given opportunities to progress to showcase their talents

Perhaps a tie up with the Swedish or Danish league to get some of there young riders over here and vice-versa would help our young riders take the next step

A great post and alot of it is totally  right until speedway in the UK all pull in the same  direction (ie) why are the league's seperate?? i cant see alot changing to be honest.

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, Cj69 said:

Cookie might not have a chance to ride champ next season if he continues this form, he is currently averaging just over 11.  Can't see any team taking him on that average or sacrifice lot of points.  

He will be at Glasgow if they are running.

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

Question for you and Sid the Robin:-

What has Rosco done since being GB Manager to benefit the future of British Speedway on the international stage?!? 

As you know the England team manager's  job now is not an attractive one Rossiter has no say on anything apart from team matters.A honest question to you what has Woffinden done for British speedway since becoming world champion.????

[orion]

4 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Question for you and Sid the Robin:-

What has Rosco done since being GB Manager to benefit the future of British Speedway on the international stage?!? 

Depends what his remit  it  ..  I expect his job is to pick the best side and get the best out of the people he's picked and that has been outstanding thus far remember he not getting paid 52 weeks of the year  .  The thing that is sad is about Woffy he had the power to do so much more in terms or  riding here turning up at uk finals etc . His attitude  been one of looking after himself and that is fair enough but if that is the case don't keep going on about  this passion for uk speedway .

[RPNY]

4 hours ago, Fromafar said:

He will be at Glasgow if they are running.

Sounds ominous 

[fatface]

I'll throw is a couple of points on those decrying Tai Woffinden for not racing in the UK....

He is freelance worker and as a speedway rider, one who only has a few years - if he is lucky - to make his money. Why would he race in Britain if the rewards are not great and the negative impact it would have on his bigger earners and sporting and commercial goals? Any freelance worker has decisions to make on which work and clients to prioritise. He is no different. 

Do you think his predecessors as British world champions were all riding here just to put something back?? They raced in the UK because it was where they made the most money, end of. If Peter Collins, Mike Lee, Gary Havelock and the rest had the options of making more money in Poland and Sweden for less meetings, they would have done just the same. I may be wrong, but I also don't recall any of them putting on free training schools for British riders, or for that matter, raising £90k for children's charities.

[SPEEDY69]

1 hour ago, falcace said:

I'll throw is a couple of points on those decrying Tai Woffinden for not racing in the UK....

He is freelance worker and as a speedway rider, one who only has a few years - if he is lucky - to make his money. Why would he race in Britain if the rewards are not great and the negative impact it would have on his bigger earners and sporting and commercial goals? Any freelance worker has decisions to make on which work and clients to prioritise. He is no different. 

Do you think his predecessors as British world champions were all riding here just to put something back?? They raced in the UK because it was where they made the most money, end of. If Peter Collins, Mike Lee, Gary Havelock and the rest had the options of making more money in Poland and Sweden for less meetings, they would have done just the same. I may be wrong, but I also don't recall any of them putting on free training schools for British riders, or for that matter, raising £90k for children's charities.

Mark Loram earned a lot more from Poland. For me it's nothing to do with training schools and everything to do with supporting speedway racing in their home nation.  Also, what about the fans - surely most people would love to be able to cheer on the World Champion and see them race first hand.  Some people understand it's not all about me me me. 

Edited July 25, 2019 by SPEEDY69

[Fromafar]

3 hours ago, RPNY said:

Sounds ominous 

Not meant in the context that they might not run.just saying he won’t be going anywhere.

[RPNY]

6 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Not meant in the context that they might not run.just saying he won’t be going anywhere.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, falcace said:

I'll throw is a couple of points on those decrying Tai Woffinden for not racing in the UK....

He is freelance worker and as a speedway rider, one who only has a few years - if he is lucky - to make his money. Why would he race in Britain if the rewards are not great and the negative impact it would have on his bigger earners and sporting and commercial goals? Any freelance worker has decisions to make on which work and clients to prioritise. He is no different. 

Do you think his predecessors as British world champions were all riding here just to put something back?? They raced in the UK because it was where they made the most money, end of. If Peter Collins, Mike Lee, Gary Havelock and the rest had the options of making more money in Poland and Sweden for less meetings, they would have done just the same. I may be wrong, but I also don't recall any of them putting on free training schools for British riders, or for that matter, raising £90k for children's charities.

Also didn't Simon Wigg favour riding on the continent in Grasstrack/Longtrack instead of riding for his country...

[orion]

1 hour ago, falcace said:

I'll throw is a couple of points on those decrying Tai Woffinden for not racing in the UK....

He is freelance worker and as a speedway rider, one who only has a few years - if he is lucky - to make his money. Why would he race in Britain if the rewards are not great and the negative impact it would have on his bigger earners and sporting and commercial goals? Any freelance worker has decisions to make on which work and clients to prioritise. He is no different. 

Do you think his predecessors as British world champions were all riding here just to put something back?? They raced in the UK because it was where they made the most money, end of. If Peter Collins, Mike Lee, Gary Havelock and the rest had the options of making more money in Poland and Sweden for less meetings, they would have done just the same. I may be wrong, but I also don't recall any of them putting on free training schools for British riders, or for that matter, raising £90k for children's charities.

Because you got a passion for uk speedway ...can't remember who say that but it was at the weekend and his first name was Tai. As I said before no problem with him earning as much as he can in the time he has but don't keep saying a passion when your the only rider who does not ride in his own league you don't ride in your own final and you go on holiday rather than riding in a World cup .. Every time there always a  feeble reason .

[fatface]

1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Mark Loram earned a lot more from Poland. For me it's nothing to do with training schools and everything to do with supporting speedway racing in their home nation.  Also, what about the fans - surely most people would love to be able to cheer on the World Champion and see them race first hand.  Some people understand it's not all about me me me. 

and I'm a big fan of my window cleaner's work...but the cheeky bugger still wants paying a decent wage every time!

Saying the fans want to see him is all well and good. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Should he risk his neck for a pittance?

Mark Loram may well have found it viable to race in the UK 12-15 years ago, as did many other GP riders. But would he in 2019? It's says it all that there is only one GP rider racing in the UK in 2019, in 2004 there were at least 13 of them in the UK.

[Endeavour]

12 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Fricke is a level above and he now is genuine world class.

That’s my point. Max was willing to move out comfort zone of Championship Speedway for long term gains. Cookie has settled with riding in 2 GB divisions when he should have tried to break into Scandinavia a good few years ago. If he really believed in 20 20 vision he would be nowhere near second tier Speedway. GP has moved on since days of Stonehewer. You ain’t gonna be challenging for world title doing circles in div 2.

[Fromafar]

32 minutes ago, Endeavour said:

That’s my point. Max was willing to move out comfort zone of Championship Speedway for long term gains. Cookie has settled with riding in 2 GB divisions when he should have tried to break into Scandinavia a good few years ago. If he really believed in 20 20 vision he would be nowhere near second tier Speedway. GP has moved on since days of Stonehewer. You ain’t gonna be challenging for world title doing circles in div 2.

He got the elbow in Poland and nobody wants him in Sweden though.Thats the problem he’s got.

[Hawk127]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

He got the elbow in Poland and nobody wants him in Sweden though.Thats the problem he’s got.

Is that not part of the problem. Few British riders make the grade and will rarely get the track time in overseas leagues because they are not good enough. Until U.K. speedway bites the bullet and starts inviting overseas teams to race in the U.K. in test matches on a regular basis and at all levels to test every standard of rider from 125 c c upwards including NL level then the best most average riders can hope is to possibly be a large fish in a very small pond. Forget top GP riders appearing in a U.K. league match week in week out, it will never happen, those days have long gone. Speedway in this country needs to re-group and start looking inward before thinking about competing at international level with the Poles and the Russians. Five years at least before team England is ready to compete so the BSPA should get off the pot and stop pissing on al and sundry including the supporters. Rebuild or fold, simple as that.

[orion]

3 hours ago, falcace said:

and I'm a big fan of my window cleaner's work...but the cheeky bugger still wants paying a decent wage every time!

Saying the fans want to see him is all well and good. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Should he risk his neck for a pittance?

Mark Loram may well have found it viable to race in the UK 12-15 years ago, as did many other GP riders. But would he in 2019? It's says it all that there is only one GP rider racing in the UK in 2019, in 2004 there were at least 13 of them in the UK.

Depends what you mean by Pittance ...Doyle still earns a decent wage at Swindon I  doubt many working class people would call it a pittance . 

Edited July 25, 2019 by orion

[Sidney the robin]

Yes Woffinden has every right to earn and ride wherever he wants to and fair play to him.But he cant make out he is as passionate about his country for me he has not shown that.Cant be bothered to do the British Final ( we could even seed him through) he has let us down as well in the past  by not riding in other international meeting's.Why does he expect to be able to call the shots for me he has not earned it.Look he is a great rider but he still is nowhere near my alltime greatest top 10 riders ever.