Fromafar Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Team manager is a totally overrated job in Speedway, the riders dictate on most things.As for International Duty it is probably picking the Team and arranging accommodation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 18 hours ago, TheReturn said: Just listening to those comments by Tai in the studio, am I right in thinking he doesn't have a lot of time for Rosco as Team GB manager? To be fair, everything Tai said made sense to me, and everything Rosco says just sounds utter ridiculous. in fact Rosco seems to have a chip on his shoulders about people (assume he means us fans) moaning. The reason he gave for not taking Bewley made no sense at all. Moving forward for next year, Rosco is not the main to drive Team GB forward, that's clear for us all to see. Tai had a lot of good ideas for the future and we would be stupid to ignore him. So is there any reason why even if he is riding Tai could not have a big say on rider selection with Peter Adams there to manage on the day (they seem to get on well and work together well). Another example of a promoter being stuck in the bubble and any fans view is instantly played down as rubbish no matter what, what would we know? We are just fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Did he get a wild card or not???? did he qualify on merit or not?? we all get it that he does not like Rossiter but wouldn't it be better if that was kept in house. I think it probably has been kept in house up to this point. However there comes a point where you have to speak out if you are not being heard. Tai needs to be listened to and if that means it upsets the status quo then it’s tough luck. British Speedway needs one almighty shake up and we have the perfect candidate sitting there willing to lead it. So let him do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: Is there anyone better than Chris?? i dont know Lawson is the only other rider i can think of mainly because of his gating.Bewley ok he maybe should not of been in the squad as he had a awkward fall at Peterborough and has just comeback from serious injury but Alun was only thinking of Dan's welfare. If he was thinking of his welfare he wouldn’t have been in the squad. Dan ridden in Sweden on the Tuesday after his Peterborough crash and scored a respectable paid 7. He is clearly fit and alluded to as much on his twitter timeline and by all accounts, reading between the lines of that tweet, he is not at all happy with Rossiter and his comments. It was a terrible interview and represented everything that is currently wrong with British Speedway. His thought train is old fashioned and it’s people like him that need putting out to pasture at this point. He is not fit for the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, acef said: If he was thinking of his welfare he wouldn’t have been in the squad. Dan ridden in Sweden on the Tuesday after his Peterborough crash and scored a respectable paid 7. He is clearly fit and alluded to as much on his twitter timeline and by all accounts, reading between the lines of that tweet, he is not at all happy with Rossiter and his comments. It was a terrible interview and represented everything that is currently wrong with British Speedway. His thought train is old fashioned and it’s people like him that need putting out to pasture at this point. He is not fit for the role. Riders calling the tune though is not the way to go we know there are mega problems in British speedway that need solving.Is this problem really that important?? in the scheme of thing's i think not.Also is everyone convinced that Woffinden really cares??? or does he care when it suits him his record in the past suggests there is a doubt in that regard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 13 hours ago, enotian said: To be fair the BSPA are doing a lot more to develop young riders than ever before but it will take a while before this bears fruit. No need to reinvent the wheel after today. It was embarrassing but any country would have struggled without Woffinden and Lambert. Cook and Harris were just the next two taxi's on the rank and were exactly that.... rank, but I'd struggle to thing of anyone who'd have done any better. The challenge for the BSPA is how to get the talent to become world class. I think the BSPA have pretty much washed their hands in the development of young riders and subbed it all out. You only had to look for the non-existent promotion of the recent WU21 team event at BV, it wasn't even mentioned on their website or twitter feed until the day of the event. As for TM, what about Rob Lyon, didn't he resign because the BSPA refused to back him with his ideas that seem to have now been pretty much fully implemented... maybe time to return to Rob? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 It's been debated a number of times and issues I know of go back to the days of Michael Lee & then Simon Wigg. Yes Tai has his views, as do we all and he has been very successful on the international stage. I'd suggest he could pass on a lot of this knowledge by riding in his own domestic league, influencing riders and inspiring directly rather than slag it off as not being world class. Riders from other countries nearly always ride in their own leagues and contest National Championships (Australia excepted). Plenty of riders may want to ride in other leagues across Europe but they need to stand out here first before they'll be considered. I did like his suggestion of using Wolverhampton as a venue (would suit him of course) but the point is well made about different types of track. I'd also agree that skipping and eating Goji berries is not going to make you a World Champ but what the likes of Nicholls and Harris also do by riding in the UK, helping to develop British riders, should not be easily dismissed/overlooked. The only mistake Rosco made was in his selection - the addition of a spare rider would have been vetoed due to cost I'd have thought and not one for him to be criticised for - he seemed to miss the point of the question when interviewed, it wasn't about having Bewley rather than Harris it was about having an additional rider in Russia in the event of an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Riders calling the tune though is not the way to go we know there are mega problems in British speedway that need solving.Is this problem really that important?? in the scheme of thing's i think not.Also is everyone convinced that Woffinden really cares??? or does he care when it suits him his record in the past suggests there is a doubt in that regard. I think he cares deeply and his comments yesterday only reaffirm my point of view. Thats a man with passion for his nation, but crucially with the knowledge, medals and titles to back it up. If GB don’t start listening and cooperating with a man of his stature then he will walk away and that is just sacrilege. Absolutely phenomenally stupid decision making. He has the people and the knowledge in his team to begin the transformation of British speedway and imo should be allowed to do exactly that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, acef said: I think he cares deeply and his comments yesterday only reaffirm my point of view. Thats a man with passion for his nation, but crucially with the knowledge, medals and titles to back it up. If GB don’t start listening and cooperating with a man of his stature then he will walk away and that is just sacrilege. Absolutely phenomenally stupid decision making. He has the people and the knowledge in his team to begin the transformation of British speedway and imo should be allowed to do exactly that. Do you honestly believe Tai would put anytime and money into British speedway after he retires.Why would he, we had a chance with the late GREAT John Berry to revamp British speedway and nothing become of it so why do you think now would be any different as exciting as an idea that it might be. Edited July 22, 2019 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 13 hours ago, enotian said: Havelock, Loram, Louis??? plenty of relatively recent experience to be passed on there. But to be fair does the team manager have that much of an input? Cieslak let his riders select the wrong gates and the Russian bloke didn't look like he knew where he was. To be fair the BSPA are doing a lot more to develop young riders than ever before but it will take a while before this bears fruit. No need to reinvent the wheel after today. It was embarrassing but any country would have struggled without Woffinden and Lambert. Cook and Harris were just the next two taxi's on the rank and were exactly that.... rank, but I'd struggle to thing of anyone who'd have done any better. The challenge for the BSPA is how to get the talent to become world class. But what does that actually mean and how would that benefit British speedway? We have a British World Champ again but how is that used to help promote the sport here if he won't even ride here! I'd fancy that at many British tracks, our boys would stand up well against the other nations. When people say world class do they actually mean ride well in Poland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: Is there anyone better than Chris?? i dont know Lawson is the only other rider i can think of mainly because of his gating.Bewley ok he maybe should not of been in the squad as he had a awkward fall at Peterborough and has just comeback from serious injury but Alun was only thinking of Dan's welfare. Bewley rode in Sweden on Tuesday so he was fully fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Mark said: Bewley rode in Sweden on Tuesday so he was fully fit. After last years horrendous injuries no way is he 100 per cent fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Sidney the robin said: After last years horrendous injuries no way is he 100 per cent fit. only he would know to what percentage he was fit but he rode Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, acef said: I think he cares deeply and his comments yesterday only reaffirm my point of view. Thats a man with passion for his nation, but crucially with the knowledge, medals and titles to back it up. If GB don’t start listening and cooperating with a man of his stature then he will walk away and that is just sacrilege. Absolutely phenomenally stupid decision making. He has the people and the knowledge in his team to begin the transformation of British speedway and imo should be allowed to do exactly that. His actions has always showed zero passion for his nation .. start riding here and turning up at uk finals etc . his actions have ever shown one thing he cares about himself and his ego . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: But what does that actually mean and how would that benefit British speedway? We have a British World Champ again but how is that used to help promote the sport here if he won't even ride here! I'd fancy that at many British tracks, our boys would stand up well against the other nations. When people say world class do they actually mean ride well in Poland? And how much promotion do you think there would be to encourage people to leave the house and watch Tai if he did ride here? Back in the day (late 70's/early 80's) I always knew when the world champion was in town... I don't know how, I was only a kid, but I knew none the less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, orion said: His actions has always showed zero passion for his nation .. start riding here and turning up at uk finals etc . his actions have ever shown one thing he cares about himself and his ego . Don’t agree about Team GB or whatever you want to call it, he has shown passion for the project by wanting it to be the best it can be and and removing himself from it when measures weren’t in place to ensure that. Don’t always agree with his actions or comments but I don’t think his passion can be questioned. Agree that he should come over and do the British Final, pretty poor that he doesn’t. But don't blame him for not doing the British League, our top division is a shambles compared to Poland & Sweden and the World titles he has won vindicates his twice a week schedule. Yes he has an ego but he is passionate about GB winning things. Edited July 22, 2019 by Bagpuss 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 16 hours ago, Star Lady said: Much as I respect Scott Nicholls as a rider/pundit, no way should he become GB team Manager, he's too close to it at present. The emphasis is on MANAGER. I'm pretty sure Peter Adams, for instance, never rode a bike but he knows how to win matches, he knows how to motivate riders. That's a team managers job, not being one of the lads who goes for a pint and a burger with the riders. Being a good rider does not make a good team manager. All good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, orion said: to take pot shots at Rosco when he was in an impossible spot was as low as you could get Rosco's own ludicrous comments pre-meeting yesterday deserved not just pot shots, great big cannonballs. Edited July 22, 2019 by TheReturn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Riders calling the tune though is not the way to go we know there are mega problems in British speedway that need solving.Is this problem really that important?? in the scheme of thing's i think not. Well we have know about big problems for years and Tai appears to be the only one having the balls to say it loudly and appearing to do something about it. If we can not listen to the multiple world champion who seems to be talking sense then who can we listen to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 48 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: it wasn't about having Bewley rather than Harris it was about having an additional rider in Russia in the event of an injury. That is thinking for today, not tomorrow. Surely taking an additional under-21 rider would not just provide backup coverage, but should they need to be called to the big stage in a years time they will have spent two days soaking it all in this year, and be slightly better prepared. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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