acef Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Woffinden should have no say his path to most has been easy how did Woffinden get a wild card does he forget?????? He got GIFTED a Wild card and then he proved how BRILLiANT he was loved it he got a chance in the series he should not forget it,!!!!! Woffinden should have no say? More archaic, good old british dinosaur thinking. Hes a triple world champion. Dam it man, he should be picking the next boss! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, acef said: Under a different regime and this is what concerns me so much here after a positive start for the new ones. Tai has stood back and met them half way with Rosco because it wasn’t the BSPA, but he’s now been vindicated for that 50% and should be heard at this point. After such a short tenure this could go ** up if they start operating like the BSPA did and not listening to a triple British world champion. Take the advice, no matter what becomes of the jolly’s boys outing, because Rossiter, and the tripe we have took there to ride the bikes, that’s all it is. No. Rosco was TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mark said: No. Rosco was TM Yes I am aware of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Woffinden should have no say his path to most has been easy how did Woffinden get a wild card does he forget?????? He got GIFTED a Wild card and then he proved how BRILLiANT he was loved it he got a chance in the series he should not forget it,!!!!! His path to most has been easy????? Yeah, it doesn't take any ability or effort to win a GP World Championship series! Three times! He's really lucky that was all given to him. And pray tell what relevance the GB team manager has as far as a GP wild card? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 There is no way Peter Adams would be TM. He's been asked countless times down the years and says he's not interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 People have short memories .. Rosco record as GB manager has been outstanding before today We had two medals in the last two years . But now he has to go after having the best rider in the world missing and then having his other best riders carrying iinjuries . . Yet again just because Woffy is a great speedway rider does not mean he we be any good at running uk speedway of picking the side etc etc sport does not work like that . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Havelock, Loram, Louis??? plenty of relatively recent experience to be passed on there. But to be fair does the team manager have that much of an input? Cieslak let his riders select the wrong gates and the Russian bloke didn't look like he knew where he was. To be fair the BSPA are doing a lot more to develop young riders than ever before but it will take a while before this bears fruit. No need to reinvent the wheel after today. It was embarrassing but any country would have struggled without Woffinden and Lambert. Cook and Harris were just the next two taxi's on the rank and were exactly that.... rank, but I'd struggle to thing of anyone who'd have done any better. The challenge for the BSPA is how to get the talent to become world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 hours ago, chunky said: His path to most has been easy????? Yeah, it doesn't take any ability or effort to win a GP World Championship series! Three times! He's really lucky that was all given to him. And pray tell what relevance the GB team manager has as far as a GP wild card? Did he get a wild card or not???? did he qualify on merit or not?? we all get it that he does not like Rossiter but wouldn't it be better if that was kept in house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 8 hours ago, acef said: Woffinden should have no say? More archaic, good old british dinosaur thinking. Hes a triple world champion. Dam it man, he should be picking the next boss! Bobby Charlton was a great man and footballer but that did not make him a great manager though who's to say Woffinden would not be the same. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I was a bit uncomfortable watching Tai say those things after Rosco's interview. It's not good to have one of the riders undermining the manager on TV and I think he could have made his points in a more subtle way without saying he didn't like his manager's interview. The thing is, though, who do GB need more? Rosco or Tai? This competition proved that without Woffinden around GB just fall apart, and he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Loved hearing what Tai had to say. You can see he cares. The easiest thing for would now to say sod it i will just concentrate on me, and hang GB Speedway. Tai wasn’t on BT Sport to ‘smell the roses’ he just told it like it was. If he can pull together 5/6 lads of differing age/potential then let’s see what he can do. If it does work, then what have we lost? Put yourself in Robert Lamberts shoes. If Tai told you something you would take it onboard. If Roscoe/ Whoever told you something different, then who would you listen to ? Edited July 22, 2019 by semion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 49 minutes ago, Grachan said: I was a bit uncomfortable watching Tai say those things after Rosco's interview. It's not good to have one of the riders undermining the manager on TV and I think he could have made his points in a more subtle way without saying he didn't like his manager's interview. The thing is, though, who do GB need more? Rosco or Tai? This competition proved that without Woffinden around GB just fall apart, and he knows it. No rider is bigger than the team and it wouldn't bother me if Woffinden never rode for England again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, semion said: Loved hearing what Tai had to say. You can see he cares. The easiest thing for would now to say sod it i will just concentrate on me, and hang GB Speedway. Tai wasn’t on BT Sport to ‘smell the roses’ he just told it like it was. If he can pull together 5/6 lads of differing age/potential then let’s see what he can do. If it does work, then what have we lost? Put yourself in Robert Lamberts shoes. If Tai told you something you would take it onboard. If Roscoe/ Whoever told you something different, then who would you listen to ? What planet have you been on ? Woffy has preety much concentrated on himself and hanged uk speedway .. He snubs the league the uk final and rides in his own land about twice a year .Woffy has always been about himself and to take pot shots at Rosco when he was in an impossible spot was as low as you could get . Woffy is one of greatest riders we have ever had but that does not mean your going to be a great team person great manager etc . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, orion said: What planet have you been on ? Woffy has preety much concentrated on himself and hanged uk speedway .. He snubs the league the uk final and rides in his own land about twice a year .Woffy has always been about himself and to take pot shots at Rosco when he was in an impossible spot was as low as you could get . Woffy is one of greatest riders we have ever had but that does not mean your going to be a great team person great manager etc . LAST year's SON? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Listening to Tai it would seem that the reason he doesn’t ride in the UK is because it p155 poor and does nothing to enhance a riders cutting edge ( not to mention sub standard tracks and the financial side). I agree Tai jacked in the National set-up as he didn’t like the way it was going and 2nd rate treatment of the riders. Now he seems to fully onboard with the current set-up ( if not the personnel). To me, he came across as passionate about what was wrong and what needs to be done. If that means Rosco being shown the door, then so be it. There is only one Tai but loads of Rossiters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I have never always agreed with Alun over the years but he has done alot more RIGHT over a long period than wrong.We have overchieved in recent years as a nation and with the riders available to him what more can he do.Alun's CV stands up for everyone to see and the criticism he has received is brutal and unfair in my view.We have seen it all before Middlo a man i respect greatly took loads of unwarranted stick in his reign so we should give Alun a break.He is passionate he does care and as far as i am concerned he can stay on at Swindon as long as he wants we wont get anyone better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I would suggest the ‘success’ in recent years has more to do with Tai dragging the other riders along while he was riding as a World no 1, rather that Rosco’s magical words to each rider before they went out for each race. It could be suggested that Tai is the inspiration to the riders to up their game while he is riding out of his skin for the cause. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: I have never always agreed with Alun over the years but he has done alot more RIGHT over a long period than wrong.We have overchieved in recent years as a nation and with the riders available to him what more can he do.Alun's CV stands up for everyone to see and the criticism he has received is brutal and unfair in my view.We have seen it all before Middlo a man i respect greatly took loads of unwarranted stick in his reign so we should give Alun a break.He is passionate he does care and as far as i am concerned he can stay on at Swindon as long as he wants we wont get anyone better. Lots of people are passionate and care but its getting major decisions right and that didn't happen. Not a dig at Bomber but his selection was strange and we had no cover in case of injury or sickness. That is the important part. Not passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mark said: Lots of people are passionate and care but its getting major decisions right and that didn't happen. Not a dig at Bomber but his selection was strange and we had no cover in case of injury or sickness. That is the important part. Not passion. Is there anyone better than Chris?? i dont know Lawson is the only other rider i can think of mainly because of his gating.Bewley ok he maybe should not of been in the squad as he had a awkward fall at Peterborough and has just comeback from serious injury but Alun was only thinking of Dan's welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Take the no 1’s out of Aus, Denmark, Sweden, Russia and is there much else to replace them with of that level ? So losing Tai was the end of it. Not just what his scoring gave you but what he gets out of the other 2 riders. Yesterday showed how of a role the Manager has when in the final Poland ( riders) picked 2&4. Just goes to show it’s the guys on the bike calling the tune not the guy filling in the Programme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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