StevePark Posted July 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Scored in reserves race, a gift for his other race, don't get carried away but glad for the lad that he will actually get paid enough to cover his travel costs for a change. Isn't that what he's meant to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Paulco said:  Clegg was still the one who touched the tapes, not Bickley Don’t know if this is a new rule, saw the same thing in heat one of the U21 meeting at Belle Vue last Friday when Lambert touched the tapes but it was an A4B due to the Pole moving first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, weejeemy said: We are already KO'd from the KOC. Cheers, Championship Shield it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, StevePark said: Isn't that what he's meant to do? I always thought the idea was to score as many points as possible in every race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Don’t know if this is a new rule, saw the same thing in heat one of the U21 meeting at Belle Vue last Friday when Lambert touched the tapes but it was an A4B due to the Pole moving first. Yip that’s what happened ,the Danes were not happy because it cost them 2nd place in the end.Its wrong IMO the rider that touches the tapes usually goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Gating competition which was disappointing after lady week’s epic. the difference was at reserve where the Diamonds won 15-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chewbacca said: Gating competition which was disappointing after lady week’s epic. the difference was at reserve where the Diamonds won 15-3 whats a lady week epic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Loose Diamond Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Paulco said:  Clegg was still the one who touched the tapes, not Bickley All 4 back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Loose Diamond Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Scored in reserves race, a gift for his other race, don't get carried away but glad for the lad that he will actually get paid enough to cover his travel costs for a change. Maybe it was a gift but he stayed on his bike the 2 opponents fell/crashed and were disqualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Winditon said: Disagree with you Ruff. I thought Starkey done a great job. Paid for 10 from 4 rides and that was after a third in his 1st ride. What you expecting????? When you put a, '' in your post, isn't it meant to suggest it's in jest ???,,, a bit like using an indicator whilst driving a vehicle to let folk know your intended direction of travel. A might not always put ''s in my posts, but I don't always use my indicators either,,, sometimes I think it funny to let other people guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited)    2 hours ago, Loose Diamond said: Because Bickley moved first and did not get warning.  1 hour ago, Paulco said:  Clegg was still the one who touched the tapes, not Bickley Honestly Ya both wrong (IMHO) I stand on the tapes line and Clegg moved first and Bickley went through them... Mick Bates the Referee tonight got it spot on... all four back and a warning for Clegg to sit still... Clegg was correctly penalised and Bickley done nothing wrong although he broke the tapes... Regards THJ BTW it was the same when Starke moved in a later race but didn't touch the tapes but disadvantaged himself at the start by leaving the blocks in last position and Ref Bates let it go... Good refereeing.. Regards THJ Edited July 21, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Edited for accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Good win in the end for the Diamonds after it looked like they might have thrown a decent start away. It seems that the track was not good for racing/passing and, as Chewie says, disappointing after 'ladies week'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 8 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:     Honestly Ya both wrong (IMHO) I stand on the tapes line and Clegg moved first and Bickley went through them... Mick Bates the Referee tonight got it spot on... all four back and a warning for Clegg to sit still... Clegg was correctly penalised and Bickley done nothing wrong although he broke the tapes... Regards THJ BTW it was the same when Starke moved in a later race but didn't touch the tapes but disadvantaged himself at the start by leaving the blocks in last position and Ref Bates let it go... Good refereeing.. Regards THJ 'Bickley done nothing wrong although he broke the tapes' As far as I could see, it was definitely Clegg that broke the tapes (and both Paulco and I had a good view) but if it was Bickley he should have been excluded. It certainly should not have been all four back. Its precisely this kind of bizarre inconsistency that gets referees a bad name. Highlighting a further inconsistency at the starts, at Redcar on Friday Ty Proctor handicapped himself by jumping but the race was pulled back. I agree with your view on this issue but think that all referees taking the same action is far more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winditon Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: When you put a, '' in your post, isn't it meant to suggest it's in jest ???,,, a bit like using an indicator whilst driving a vehicle to let folk know your intended direction of travel. A might not always put ''s in my posts, but I don't always use my indicators either,,, sometimes I think it funny to let other people guess. I'm not up with all these emojis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said: 'Bickley done nothing wrong although he broke the tapes' As far as I could see, it was definitely Clegg that broke the tapes (and both Paulco and I had a good view) but if it was Bickley he should have been excluded. It certainly should not have been all four back. Its precisely this kind of bizarre inconsistency that gets referees a bad name. Highlighting a further inconsistency at the starts, at Redcar on Friday Ty Proctor handicapped himself by jumping but the race was pulled back. I agree with your view on this issue but think that all referees taking the same action is far more important. Considering I was standing in front of Paulco having a pint with him (that he bought by the way!!!) I had exactly the same view as him and can't remember seeing you there HT but never mind... also Paulco stated Clegg touched the tapes not broke them... Clegg was the one moving before the start and the instigator of what followed... I think Mick Bates got both decisions spot on with the Clegg warning and all 4 back as his jump pulled everyone else forward and he (Clegg) didnt break the tapes and the Starke warning too was correct IMO by not stopping the Starke race as he had penalised himself by jumping (twitching) stopping and missing the start ending up at the back. Only if the jump gains an advantage should the race be pulled back... and to my mind that would be if the offender ended up in front of an opposing rider... I can't comment on the Redcar meeting and Graeme Hunters performance but I would have Mick Bates referee all my meetings if it were possible he is definitey one of the best in the country as far as I am concered Regards THJ Edited July 22, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Edited for accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Winditon said: I'm not up with all these emojis. Yeah ok,,, but what about Starkey's performance last night ?,,, it could be argued that he thought he was still guesting for the Diamonds, definitely helped us win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 12 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Scored in reserves race, a gift for his other race, don't get carried away but glad for the lad that he will actually get paid enough to cover his travel costs for a change. It seems Danny can do no right, he doubles what is expected from him average wise in a league he really shouldn't be in, and he still gets slagged off... Yes, I may do some of that from time to time, but when he deserves some praise I'm gonna give it to him... Can only beat what's in front of him and to be fair he did a very good job holding Kyle Bickley off for the 2/3 laps before he fell... Well done Danny  A good second pace in heat 2 too Reserves throughout this season have gotten weaker imo... Matt Marson, Jason Edwards, Connor Coles, Joe Lawlor, Connor Bailey, Kyle Bickley, Tom Woolley, Henry Atkins, Danny Phillips with all due respect are riders who should NOT be expected to be in this league, but all are capable of beating eachother, yes it makes the races far too processional when they are in them, BUT it gives them opportunity to score points at Championship level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dandelion said: It seems Danny can do no right, he doubles what is expected from him average wise in a league he really shouldn't be in, and he still gets slagged off... Yes, I may do some of that from time to time, but when he deserves some praise I'm gonna give it to him... Can only beat what's in front of him and to be fair he did a very good job holding Kyle Bickley off for the 2/3 laps before he fell... Well done Danny  A good second pace in heat 2 too Reserves throughout this season have gotten weaker imo... Matt Marson, Jason Edwards, Connor Coles, Joe Lawlor, Connor Bailey, Kyle Bickley, Tom Woolley, Henry Atkins, Danny Phillips with all due respect are riders who should NOT be expected to be in this league, but all are capable of beating eachother, yes it makes the races far too processional when they are in them, BUT it gives them opportunity to score points at Championship level... I wasn't slagging the lad off, anyone who gets on a speedway bike should not be slagged off by us ' terrace Warriors '. I was simply pointing out half his points were gifted, end of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Considering I was standing in front of Paulco having a pint with him (that he bought by the way!!!) I had exactly the same view as him and can't remember seeing you there HT but never mind... also Paulco stated Clegg touched the tapes not broke them... Clegg was the one moving before the start and the instigator of what followed... I think Mick Bates got both decisions spot on with the Clegg warning and all 4 back as his jump pulled everyone else forward and he (Clegg) didnt break the tapes and the Starke warning too was correct IMO by not stopping the Starke race as he had penalised himself by jumping (twitching) stopping and missing the start ending up at the back. Only if the jump gains an advantage should the race be pulled back... and to my mind that would be if the offender ended up in front of an opposing rider... I can't comment on the Redcar meeting and Graeme Hunters performance but I would have Mick Bates referee all my meetings if it were possible he is definitey one of the best in the country as far as I am concered Regards THJ You don’t have to break the tapes to get excluded though ,so Clegg should have went if that was the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Considering I was standing in front of Paulco having a pint with him (that he bought by the way!!!) I had exactly the same view as him and can't remember seeing you there HT but never mind... also Paulco stated Clegg touched the tapes not broke them... Clegg was the one moving before the start and the instigator of what followed... I think Mick Bates got both decisions spot on with the Clegg warning and all 4 back as his jump pulled everyone else forward and he (Clegg) didnt break the tapes and the Starke warning too was correct IMO by not stopping the Starke race as he had penalised himself by jumping (twitching) stopping and missing the start ending up at the back. Only if the jump gains an advantage should the race be pulled back... and to my mind that would be if the offender ended up in front of an opposing rider... I can't comment on the Redcar meeting and Graeme Hunters performance but I would have Mick Bates referee all my meetings if it were possible he is definitey one of the best in the country as far as I am concered Regards THJ In my opinion the've made the starting procedure unnecessarily complicated......should be IMO.....if they're sitting still when the starting marshal walks away then that's fine.....if they move and or get a flier after that, who cares.....sometimes fliers can make the race more exciting. BUT, first to touch or break the tapes....automatic exclusion. All this "at the referee's discretion" is what is causing the gross inconsistency. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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