cityrebel Posted July 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 9 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Well there we have it .... best and smoothest track according to Luke Harris. So it isn't the track. One thing is for sure ... it isn't the supporters fault either.... they are the mugs who pay to turn up and hang around and are short changed of action. So 2 hours to run 15 heats of 1 minute 4 lap races clearly isn't enough time. Not just at Kent but all over the country, meetings drag on, with repeated false starts , accidents, and numerous other delays for reasons that our railway companies would be proud of. Even televised league matches are cut short by BT sports for over running their 2 hour slot. The promotions are incapable of running a professional show. What is being done about it ... NOTHING. I blame BREXIT. Must be ? I was at Poole last night. Parade 7.30, first race 7.40, no interval. All done and dusted just after 9. It shows what can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 I was at the Somerset v Plymouth meeting earlier this season. It was announced that due to incoming rain, the meeting would start at 7.25pm,no parade and no interval. Bizarrely, the riders came out for Ht1 at 7.20pm and by 7.30pm, we had already had 3 races! I was home in Torquay before 10pm. Some fans were still coming in and asking what was happening.They thought it was a few demonstration races. They were not so happy when we told them they had missed 3 races. This to me is far worse than a meeting being abandoned due to curfew. Accidents etc happen, not intentionally. Sadly, for whatever reason, Kent do seem to suffer more than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 12 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Well there we have it .... best and smoothest track according to Luke Harris. So it isn't the track. One thing is for sure ... it isn't the supporters fault either.... they are the mugs who pay to turn up and hang around and are short changed of action. So 2 hours to run 15 heats of 1 minute 4 lap races clearly isn't enough time. Not just at Kent but all over the country, meetings drag on, with repeated false starts , accidents, and numerous other delays for reasons that our railway companies would be proud of. Even televised league matches are cut short by BT sports for over running their 2 hour slot. The promotions are incapable of running a professional show. What is being done about it ... NOTHING. I blame BREXIT. Must be ? Well, Old Bob. How would YOU deal with accidents ? Just decide not to attend to injured riders, let them lie where they fall and continue the meeting ? Actually, when I go to Kent, which is almost every week now that Lakeside are shut, most weeks I am leaving the stadium just after 8 O'Clock following a 6.30 start. Accidents are the only hold up. Personally I can't think of a solution to that. I will be pleased to learn something from Old Bob of Herne Bay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, East End Fan said: Well, Old Bob. How would YOU deal with accidents ? Just decide not to attend to injured riders, let them lie where they fall and continue the meeting ? Actually, when I go to Kent, which is almost every week now that Lakeside are shut, most weeks I am leaving the stadium just after 8 O'Clock following a 6.30 start. Accidents are the only hold up. Personally I can't think of a solution to that. I will be pleased to learn something from Old Bob of Herne Bay. When Ashley Birks broke his back at Plymouth ( an injury that ended his career) the delay was around 15 minutes while they fixed the fence. They had two ambulances and two paramedics. I stand to be corrected but I believe that Newcastle still do. Injury needn't cause major delay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 9 hours ago, BobC said: I was at the Somerset v Plymouth meeting earlier this season. It was announced that due to incoming rain, the meeting would start at 7.25pm,no parade and no interval. Bizarrely, the riders came out for Ht1 at 7.20pm and by 7.30pm, we had already had 3 races! I was home in Torquay before 10pm. Some fans were still coming in and asking what was happening.They thought it was a few demonstration races. They were not so happy when we told them they had missed 3 races. This to me is far worse than a meeting being abandoned due to curfew. Accidents etc happen, not intentionally. Sadly, for whatever reason, Kent do seem to suffer more than most. BobC. I think you will find that Kent suffer more than most because they are the only track (cant think of another) that has to finish heat 15 & have the bikes back in the pits within 2 hours. I doubt any club in the league finishes EVERY match EVERY week within 2 hours. If by running heat 15 the race would finish 1 minute after 8.30 it means at Kent heat 15 could not be run. The meeting against Cradley is a case in point, if Kent were able to have carried on until 8.35pm the meeting would have finished. At Poole do you leave the stadium EVERY week at or before 9.30, i doubt that very much. Hopefully in time the council will grant Kent an extension of maybe 15mins to the planning permission for exceptional circumstances (say ambulance on track) & we can join in with the rest of the leagues & finish every match! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 HSE would dictate the medical cover required for the racing and spectators attending. The cost is unknown to me for paramedic and an ambulance but I guess it’s a fair proportion of the promotion costs. If Len Silver actually explained the expense involved then I’m sure spectators would have more sympathy (or not). He came out very quick to ask for an increase in admission when citing Drew Kemp’s £1000 kevlars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, GWC said: HSE would dictate the medical cover required for the racing and spectators attending. The cost is unknown to me for paramedic and an ambulance but I guess it’s a fair proportion of the promotion costs. If Len Silver actually explained the expense involved then I’m sure spectators would have more sympathy (or not). He came out very quick to ask for an increase in admission when citing Drew Kemp’s £1000 kevlars! The Speedway Regulations lay down the minimum medical cover requirements. A medical crew will cost around £500 per meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) I am a great believer that all tracks should have good medical cover for the safety of both riders and spectators. What I have never understood is why the track paramedic has to go with the NHS ambulance to hand their patient over to the hospital. Surely they could hand the patient over to the paramedic in the ambulance who could then hand them over to the hospital staff while the track paramedic was then able to stay at the track and be available for any further incidents. EDIT I understand that if the track ambulance is used to carry the patient to the hospital then the track paramedic would have to accompany them. But over the years have been at meetings where an NHS ambulance has arrived and the track paramedic has gone with it to the hospital which is the bit I don't understand. Edited July 20, 2019 by Chris116 Explanation to make my point clearer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chris116 said: EDIT I understand that if the track ambulance is used to carry the patient to the hospital then the track paramedic would have to accompany them. But over the years have been at meetings where an NHS ambulance has arrived and the track paramedic has gone with it to the hospital which is the bit I don't understand. This would be related to whether the ambulance arriving was equipped with a double technician crew or if a paramedic was on board . If the patient needs possible drugs en route whether it be pain relief or otherwise, then the paramedic would travel also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 Things are not like they used to be,,nowdays every thing revolves round costs that are far more expensive than they used to be,,,,,hence longer delays with injuries 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 Oh here we b****y well go ... like a load of sheep everyone jumps on the health and safety bandwagon. East End Fan in particular suggesting I leave injured riders " lie where they fall and continue with the meeting" I will treat that comment with the contempt it deserves. How about stopping all the fannying about at the starts digging holes, hanging back form the start until the start marshall has to drag the riders to the tapes before the green light goes on ..... only for some silly s*d to jump he start and we start all over again with a team of hangers on leaping out of the pits to refill with fuel , adjust the rear wheel , clean the wheel rims , cool he clutch and all sorts of unecessary c**p before another 2 minutes goes on and we start all over again. If I was a ref I would throw o nthe green light let the tapes up riders ready or not. I bet I ould only hve to do it once and the riders would be ready to start pronto in heat 2. WE are paying to watch speedway racing not fannying around at the start. It's out of control. How about having the gumption to kick a*s and get the riders to appear on the track in good time wihtout having to wait for the 2 minute warning. I have often wondered whether ANY meeting would actually start at all nowadays if the referee did not sound the 2 minute warnign for heat one ? We wold be waing for hours ith riders having a chat having an energy drink tiddling with their bikes and no one would bother to go to the start. The bottom line would be to compel promoters to refund spectators for races not raced due to a curfew. They save on points money paid so why should the spectators not recieve a refund ??? That would would keep the meetings moving :-) :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) They certainly have Richard ,,and so have riders demands,,largely to keep their bikes in competitive order,...... Edited July 20, 2019 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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