waco Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Hi blue herb77,,as you probably know I did the track at Rye back in the early 80,s with Hughie Saunders ,and have been staff on the Kent track when Ben was there ,l also did the track with Chick Woodruff many years ago at Rayleigh so I think I know what I'm talking about on tracks,,The track at Kent is one of the hardest to ride for young inexperienced riders..So take no notice of those knocking your opinions...For an example did you ever see Nathan Ablitt crashing at Lakeside ?. Edited July 16, 2019 by waco Spelling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, waco said: Hi blue herb77,,as you probably know I did the track at Rye back in the early 80,s with Hughie Saunders ,and have been staff on the Kent track when Ben was there ,l also did the track with Chick Woodruff many years ago at Rayleigh so I think I know what I'm talking about on tracks,,The track at Kent is one of the hardest to ride for young inexperienced riders..So take no notice of those knocking your opinions...For an example did you ever see Nathan Abltt crashing at Lakeside ?. Ladies and Gentlemen....I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted July 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, waco said: Hi blue herb77,,as you probably know I did the track at Rye back in the early 80,s with Hughie Saunders ,and have been staff on the Kent track when Ben was there ,l also did the track with Chick Woodruff many years ago at Rayleigh so I think I know what I'm talking about on tracks,,The track at Kent is one of the hardest to ride for young inexperienced riders..So take no notice of those knocking your opinions...For an example did you ever see Nathan Ablitt crashing at Lakeside ?. Rayleigh, now you are showing your age. My first trip to the Weir was a bank holiday monday meeting against the West Ham Bombers. The track was so dusty you could hardly see the riders. We still had the same track problems in the 'good old days', but the bikes were a lot slower then, which contributes a lot to the present problems. Some of the more experienced riders can struggle to control the modern era flying machines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Last night was my first ever visit to Kent speedway. I've seen better meetings, but also many worse ones. There were indeed some excellent races. In my opinion none of the crashes were caused by track conditions, and I echo the praise for the efforts of the track staff in repairing the fences. Like others, I'm astonished (and happy) that the heat 7 crash didn't result in some major injuries. The curfew time is a real problem and an extra 30 minutes would make a world of difference. As for heat 14, I doubt that Cradley could have been any more blatant in making sure they ran the clock out to guarantee a league point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Meldrew Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, blueherb777 said: Ladies and Gentlemen....I rest my case. What case? You never had one!! Where are your OWN detailed opinions on the merits or otherwise of the Kent track which were requested earlier? I suppose that you think that the track at Peterborough is dangerous now considering the accidents that occurred there last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Vic Meldrew said: What case? You never had one!! Where are your OWN detailed opinions on the merits or otherwise of the Kent track which were requested earlier? I suppose that you think that the track at Peterborough is dangerous now considering the accidents that occurred there last night. Bore off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Meldrew Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Bye , Bye blueherb777. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Falcons50 said: So pleased to read that Plymouth is not the only track that "supporters" criticise. Makes a real change to see. At least our curfew is reasonable 9-45. :-) Trying to be sensible about tracks and issues with them it does seem to be a nation wide problem. I watched Peterborough v Belle Vue on BT Sport last night. After 3 heats two riders injured, ambulances on track both times and three riders out of the meeting. Riders were picking up grip on the bends and straights and having to struggle to keep control at times. Scott Nicholls said there was a hole or rut that had appeared on the first / second bend and track work had to be done. So some longish delays. I think there are problems all round with the sport and the rules governing it. However the main issue for me is lack of supporters. Speedway is a great night out for all the family, in todays world though it is all about winning and having a successful side, not the old Olympic idea of just taking part. WE have some brilliant young riders, full of courage who give us tremendous entertainment. The promoters, most of them have to have very thick skins with the flack they take, some of it very personal. If it wasn't for them putting their money on the line we wouldn't have our speedway fix. Personally I really enjoy my Friday night at Plymouth, " issues " and all. Long may it and speedway continue but it does need us to get behind it :-) oh the irony. Kent fans will roundly slag off just about any track they go to e.g Plymouth and Stoke in recent weeks, used to be Mildenhall and Eastbourne. Then you have the "Cradley tribe" just about the most "up themselves" bunch in Speedway with the possible exception of Belle Vue. Thankfully us Brummies are friendly middle of the road types but to see Kent fans slagging off everyone else's track and then getting some back and then the Cradley mob involved in a cheating storm is just hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Anyway as Ledwith could be out for up to 8 weeks and Spooner being so injury prone maybe it’s time to change the team. It might mean having to drop Jenkins initially but getting Bowen or Alfie Bowtell into the team might be necessary now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Do the averages fit for either rider,,,? don't ask me not up on averages at Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) How one earth can they fit 9 point riders in?? They had the chance to replace Kemp with Bowen or bowtell who would never drop their starting average by 2 points and they’ve missed that chance now the averages have all inflated (mainly ledwith). As it is apparent Kemp a great talent his average was mainly attained from spending so long at reserve last year at Mildenhall) Edited July 16, 2019 by TurnTwo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Looks like a dead duck then,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 There aren’t many riders on 6.53 or less averages to go in place of ledwith so Kent will just have to run rr for spooner (not terrible as Ablitt and Gilkes can take rides) and use guest like Edwards for ledwith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Many tracks are quite capable of running 15 heats within 2 hrs including a brief interval. Kent cannot on a consistent basis. one wonders why. Why are there so many crashes that cause long delays. Blue groove, a 2nd bend that does not pull riders in but seems to do the opposite appeAr to be factors. Football is time limited and there are rules to prevent time wasting. However, players know how to run down the clock - speedway is no different. Worth noting Len ignored curfew when it suited last yeAr Steady now,you will upset some people with those opinions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, TurnTwo said: There aren’t many riders on 6.53 or less averages to go in place of ledwith so Kent will just have to run rr for spooner (not terrible as Ablitt and Gilkes can take rides) and use guest like Edwards for ledwith The problem is you are now relying on a team of kids and Rowe and Kemp to score the bulk of points. There’s a need for an older head and Bowen would be ideal. As I said it would need wholesale changes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Bryce said: Last night was my first ever visit to Kent speedway. I've seen better meetings, but also many worse ones. There were indeed some excellent races. In my opinion none of the crashes were caused by track conditions, and I echo the praise for the efforts of the track staff in repairing the fences. Like others, I'm astonished (and happy) that the heat 7 crash didn't result in some major injuries. The curfew time is a real problem and an extra 30 minutes would make a world of difference. As for heat 14, I doubt that Cradley could have been any more blatant in making sure they ran the clock out to guarantee a league point. As a first timer and therefore I assume a neutral, as a Kent fan I value thos comments greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Meldrew Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Bryce may not believe track conditions caused the crashes but there does seem to be a worrying pattern. Kent have had an awful lot of injuries this year. It is certainly a worrying time for Kent with a shoulder injury to Alex Spooner at Kent due to a shed chain, back injury to Jordan Jenkins at Mildenhall on Sunday whilst guesting for Stoke, collar bone injury to Rob Ledwith sustained at Stoke in the NL Fours and a wrist injury to Anders Rowe in the same meeting at Stoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Got you - the common denominator is Stoke. Straws clutching . If at first you can't find a solution, blame stoke!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Or Cradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Vic Meldrew said: It is certainly a worrying time for Kent with a shoulder injury to Alex Spooner at Kent due to a shed chain, back injury to Jordan Jenkins at Mildenhall on Sunday whilst guesting for Stoke, collar bone injury to Rob Ledwith sustained at Stoke in the NL Fours and a wrist injury to Anders Rowe in the same meeting at Stoke. You forgot the injury to Gilkes, out for 9 weeks with a broken pelvis sustained at Stoke & for what its worth Ablitt out for 23 days with concussion sustained at Swindon. Yes there is a pattern & that is that just about every injury sustained by Kent riders happened away from Central Park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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