TurnTwo Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Wasn’t there a review in the speedway star at the start of the year saying there would be potential injuries at Kent due to the nature of the riders I can’t remember if it was a fan like previous years or club one by the press officers of the clubs but I believe I read it somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 7 hours ago, waco said: Hi blue herb77,,as you probably know I did the track at Rye back in the early 80,s with Hughie Saunders ,and have been staff on the Kent track when Ben was there ,l also did the track with Chick Woodruff many years ago at Rayleigh so I think I know what I'm talking about on tracks,,The track at Kent is one of the hardest to ride for young inexperienced riders..So take no notice of those knocking your opinions...For an example did you ever see Nathan Ablitt crashing at Lakeside ?. I don't remember Ablitt crashing at Lakeside, but then i don't ever remember him racing there. When did he race at Lakeside? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, TurnTwo said: Wasn’t there a review in the speedway star at the start of the year saying there would be potential injuries at Kent due to the nature of the riders I can’t remember if it was a fan like previous years or club one by the press officers of the clubs but I believe I read it somewhere? It was Connor Dugard in the Speedway Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, flipper11 said: I don't remember Ablitt crashing at Lakeside, but then i don't ever remember him racing there. When did he race at Lakeside? He rode in the pre match junior heats almost every week for the last couple of years Lakeside were running. He had some terrific races with Jason Edwards on occasion. Lakeside being my team I was indeed a neutral at Kent last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Bryce said: He rode in the pre match junior heats almost every week for the last couple of years Lakeside were running. He had some terrific races with Jason Edwards on occasion. Lakeside being my team I was indeed a neutral at Kent last night. That’s odd I was told this was his 1st year racing a 500cc speedway bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 It may well be. The junior races were literally that, with riders not old enough to race in the national league. It could well be that they were on 250cc bikes at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 I just dug out some old programs and they were on 250cc bikes in the junior races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 A good few crashes are normally by the chasing riders when trying to pass around the outside going off the blue groove around bends 1/2 and bend 3 usually seems to get a hole or rut appears mid track after a few hts or it’s the rider going over the off camber bend 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 hours ago, waco said: Hi blue herb77,,as you probably know I did the track at Rye back in the early 80,s with Hughie Saunders ,and have been staff on the Kent track when Ben was there ,l also did the track with Chick Woodruff many years ago at Rayleigh so I think I know what I'm talking about on tracks,,The track at Kent is one of the hardest to ride for young inexperienced riders..So take no notice of those knocking your opinions...For an example did you ever see Nathan Ablitt crashing at Lakeside ?. So you are massively experienced at track prep & you no what you are talking about on tracks, yet somehow you manage to compare Ablitt never crashing at Lakeside with him crashing at Kent. Perhaps as an expert you can explain how riding a 250cc bike in 2nd halves at Lakeside can compare to his 1st season on a 500cc bike in the national league at Kent!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 hours ago, flipper11 said: So you are massively experienced at track prep & you no what you are talking about on tracks, yet somehow you manage to compare Ablitt never crashing at Lakeside with him crashing at Kent. Perhaps as an expert you can explain how riding a 250cc bike in 2nd halves at Lakeside can compare to his 1st season on a 500cc bike in the national league at Kent!? I think Ablitt’s problem is he never really did much competitive racing on a 500? As opposed to the Thompson twins and Palin who did a lot of before meeting races and the whole winter amateur meetings at Scunthorpe etc. He only raced the 250 then when it came to racing the 500 he actually had very little experience on it hence why he’s so raw and crashes? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 10 hours ago, flipper11 said: It was Connor Dugard in the Speedway Star. Knew I wasn’t going mad in my old age just yet - thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, TurnTwo said: I think Ablitt’s problem is he never really did much competitive racing on a 500? As opposed to the Thompson twins and Palin who did a lot of before meeting races and the whole winter amateur meetings at Scunthorpe etc. He only raced the 250 then when it came to racing the 500 he actually had very little experience on it hence why he’s so raw and crashes? Wholeheartedly agree. Whilst the 250cc machines are great tools for learning (and far superior to any rider jumping from 125 cc machines to 500cc) they do still allow riders to take liberties as they don't pull or drive as hard as the senior machines. That said Ablitt has been riding a bike for a very long time so year one or not he is certainly not inexperienced in racing a bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Apart from Spooner crashing because he lost a chain, most of the injuries to Kent riders have happened away from home. Bowen's knee injury last year came because James Shanes hit him in the middle of the straight, nothing to do with the track. I am also amazed at the number of times when riders go through the fence, they get up and walk away. In my experience, on almost every track I have known over the years, a collision with the fence resulted in at least a minor injury, and many times much worse. The Gilkes crash when he was stuck in by his opponent ( who got disqualified) is a case in point. Whole fence demolished but both riders walked away. Astonishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkypotter Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 14 hours ago, pete cc said: Straws clutching . If at first you can't find a solution, blame stoke!! exactly mate. never mind the fact that ledwith managed to crash all on his own on the very first bend and that rowe was taken into the fence by another rider overcooking it but hey ho lets blaim stoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, porkypotter said: exactly mate. never mind the fact that ledwith managed to crash all on his own on the very first bend and that rowe was taken into the fence by another rider overcooking it but hey ho lets blaim stoke. At least we are all agreed then...definitely Stokes fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkypotter Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: At least we are all agreed then...definitely Stokes fault exactly sings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 16 hours ago, flipper11 said: It was Connor Dugard in the Speedway Star. what's happened to Connor Dugard? seems to have vanished off the scene apart from making Kevlars? was very outspoken on some issues but a bright young mind that sport could ill afford to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons50 Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 5:26 PM, HGould said: oh the irony. Kent fans will roundly slag off just about any track they go to e.g Plymouth and Stoke in recent weeks, used to be Mildenhall and Eastbourne. Then you have the "Cradley tribe" just about the most "up themselves" bunch in Speedway with the possible exception of Belle Vue. Thankfully us Brummies are friendly middle of the road types but to see Kent fans slagging off everyone else's track and then getting some back and then the Cradley mob involved in a cheating storm is just hilarious. Not sure what the irony is to my post really as I'm a Plymouth supporter who is fed up with reading negative posts about our track, am saying that tracks all round the country and in every league have issues. Poole, Swindon, Peterborough, in the higher leagues just to name a couple. Dust is always another issue, I loved the photos on Facebook of the Birmingham meeting last night, very atmospheric (said tongue in cheek) as to me it all is part of watching speedway :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Luke Harris Cradley rider and ex Kent rider has today posted on facebook saying the central park track was the best and smoothest it has ever been when he has ridden it, Monday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Well there we have it .... best and smoothest track according to Luke Harris. So it isn't the track. One thing is for sure ... it isn't the supporters fault either.... they are the mugs who pay to turn up and hang around and are short changed of action. So 2 hours to run 15 heats of 1 minute 4 lap races clearly isn't enough time. Not just at Kent but all over the country, meetings drag on, with repeated false starts , accidents, and numerous other delays for reasons that our railway companies would be proud of. Even televised league matches are cut short by BT sports for over running their 2 hour slot. The promotions are incapable of running a professional show. What is being done about it ... NOTHING. I blame BREXIT. Must be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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