GWC Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, cityrebel said: My first ever meeting at Arlington against Rayleigh way back in 1972 ended up with a punch up. It was exciting stuff for a wide eyed nipper, but it was a lot more common in those days. Allen Emmett 12 point maximum and a 39 all draw - happy days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, GWC said: Alfie doesn’t yet seem to have the control to turn the bike sharply and maintain speed which is required at Eastbourne. Seeing the black streaks i doubt anyone could on that track, especially a rookie, if he hadn't collected Andersson it looks like he was gonna spin out. It looked like reading on a sunny sunday afternoon - eastie always was deep when swindon were there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 22 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: Still upset I see. Not at all why should I be upset. OK your prediction was better than mine but you still got a humping so alls good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Dekker said: Seeing the black streaks i doubt anyone could on that track, especially a rookie, if he hadn't collected Andersson it looks like he was gonna spin out. It looked like reading on a sunny sunday afternoon - eastie always was deep when swindon were there. There was a definite lack of track watering at Eastie last saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Well well who damaged Alfie Bowtell’s van after the meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 9:40 AM, Sings4Speedway said: Another wild and rash move from Bowtell...shock horror. The lad has been riding less than 5 years and pushed up into the Championship. Its not his fault its the promotions for allowing riders like this with little / no grounding to be on track and ultimately put others in danger. Who won the punch up btw? runner up wasn't he in National League Riders Final last season and a 9 point average, not sure where you think the lad should be riding as no NL side could fit him in, are you suggesting he retire? Plenty older and far more experienced than him are in NL and shouldn't be like Clegg and Perks for starters. Dont think he is a dirty rider from few occasions I've seen him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 22 hours ago, cityrebel said: There was a definite lack of track watering at Eastie last saturday. I was at Festival at Speed at Goodwood in Sussex over weekend; poured down from Saturday night and most of Sunday did it rain at Arlington???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 7 hours ago, HGould said: I was at Festival at Speed at Goodwood in Sussex over weekend; poured down from Saturday night and most of Sunday did it rain at Arlington???? No, bone dry. The rain never arrived until the early hours of sunday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, HGould said: runner up wasn't he in National League Riders Final last season and a 9 point average, not sure where you think the lad should be riding as no NL side could fit him in, are you suggesting he retire? Plenty older and far more experienced than him are in NL and shouldn't be like Clegg and Perks for starters. Dont think he is a dirty rider from few occasions I've seen him. Part of the problem is that the NL was forced to accept a much lower points limit this season. Its a massive jump from the NL to the Championship and that meant that riders who would have benefitted from competing in both leagues could not. Word I got was that one NL side definitely wanted Bowtell for 2019 but he effectively ruled himself out. As such, its his own fault he doesn't have an NL place. Question is - and despite Jon Cook's ridiculous views - should he be riding Championship ? He's averaging 2.64 according to the latest green sheets and that's hardly persuasive. I don't think Bowtell is a dirty rider either but he can be reckless. Reckless isn't dirty, but it can have very much the same result. Edited July 10, 2019 by Halifaxtiger 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: Part of the problem is that the NL was forced to accept a much lower points limit this season. Its a massive jump from the NL to the Championship and that meant that riders who would have benefitted from competing in both leagues could not. Word I got was that one NL side definitely wanted Bowtell for 2019 but he effectively ruled himself out. As such, its his own fault he doesn't have an NL place. Question is - and despite Jon Cook's ridiculous views - should he be riding Championship ? He's averaging 2.64 according to the latest green sheets and that's hardly persuasive. I don't think Bowtell is a dirty rider either but he can be reckless. Reckless isn't dirty, but it can have very much the same result. I certainly don't class Bowtell as dirty but do agree he is reckless at times. He is a rider in a hurry to make a name for himself. The problem is with his limited time in the sport is that decision making and awareness is not always what it should be. Im not aiming this at Alfie but there are riders who i have seen throw the bike on the track in a split second or rapidly switched lines to avoid nasty crashes and others who have ridden for almost half a lap before ploughing into others. I don't actually fault the riders i believe its the promotions responsibility to ensure the riders they track are competent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) At this moment in time Alfie is not always in full control when turning the bike,,combine that with a rugged determination,and you have a rider that will progress with time...but few riders want to be immediately out side him at the moment.......that includes some of his own team i would imagine ? Edited July 10, 2019 by waco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 14 hours ago, HGould said: runner up wasn't he in National League Riders Final last season and a 9 point average, not sure where you think the lad should be riding as no NL side could fit him in, are you suggesting he retire? Plenty older and far more experienced than him are in NL and shouldn't be like Clegg and Perks for starters. Dont think he is a dirty rider from few occasions I've seen him. Er, isn't Alfie OLDER than either Clegg or Perks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, crescent girl said: Er, isn't Alfie OLDER than either Clegg or Perks? 22 according to Eagles website (late starter in Speedway) few matches in 2015 and 2016 Bowtell is 2 months older but less PL (none) and CL and NL experience than Perks who first rode NL in 2014 Clegg is also 22 but also has a lot more experience in NL especially - started NL in 2012!!! Experience is the key factor not age -: Bowtell has less than Perks and a lot less than Clegg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 It is correct to say Alfie is not that experienced and riding In the championship being a very determined character he is on occasion riding beyond his skill capability,,,But riders of.his aggressiveness on track are usually those that eventually make the grade..when they eventually gain the control to go with it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: Part of the problem is that the NL was forced to accept a much lower points limit this season. Its a massive jump from the NL to the Championship and that meant that riders who would have benefitted from competing in both leagues could not. Word I got was that one NL side definitely wanted Bowtell for 2019 but he effectively ruled himself out. As such, its his own fault he doesn't have an NL place. Question is - and despite Jon Cook's ridiculous views - should he be riding Championship ? He's averaging 2.64 according to the latest green sheets and that's hardly persuasive. I don't think Bowtell is a dirty rider either but he can be reckless. Reckless isn't dirty, but it can have very much the same result. Mr Cook’s recent criticism of riders in the Eastbourne team might also be a reason for Alfie’s harsh manoeuvre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, GWC said: Mr Cook’s recent criticism of riders in the Eastbourne team might also be a reason for Alfie’s harsh manoeuvre. Wasn't he spared criticism? I thought it was aimed at Wood and Morley because they ride NL. Edited July 10, 2019 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 Yes you are correct Halifaxtiger, criticism was aimed squarely at Morley and Wood and their NL riding. Mr Cook loves Alfie Bowtell who in his words has " fire in his belly". Bowtell made great strides at the big open spaces at the IoW last season at NL level , but IMHO was never really consistent on the tighter turns at Lakeside last season, and continues to struggle it seems at Arlington. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 9 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Yes you are correct Halifaxtiger, criticism was aimed squarely at Morley and Wood and their NL riding. Mr Cook loves Alfie Bowtell who in his words has " fire in his belly". Bowtell made great strides at the big open spaces at the IoW last season at NL level , but IMHO was never really consistent on the tighter turns at Lakeside last season, and continues to struggle it seems at Arlington. May be Cook was proved right after Saturday night Eastbourne one of the few Teams not to make changes so far (other than enforced injury change for Brennan and Kyle Newman has done well averaging around 7 points). Wonder if they might ship Morley or Bowtell out and freshen up for their 2 semi finals and try to find someone who can be more effective away from Arlington?? Limited by points though due to strong home form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, HGould said: May be Cook was proved right after Saturday night Eastbourne one of the few Teams not to make changes so far (other than enforced injury change for Brennan and Kyle Newman has done well averaging around 7 points). Wonder if they might ship Morley or Bowtell out and freshen up for their 2 semi finals and try to find someone who can be more effective away from Arlington?? Limited by points though due to strong home form. I genuinely think Eastie will persevere with the current team baring injurues, may come back to bite us in the semi finals, although still have a chance in both with the current team. It may go against the general ethos of this league, mostly caused by the points limit, but if they do keep with the current team, think they should be applauded picking a British team in the first place, and sticking with them. Not many of the wholesale changes at other clubs have been welcomed with open arms by the fans. Edited July 11, 2019 by gazzac 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 The only teams in the league not to have changed their opening 1-7 are Somerset and Berwick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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