Plymouth v Kent 5th

[Frenchie]

If the track is as bad as people are making out can I please ask why it was deemed safe enough for a group of inexperienced 9-14 year olds to practise on the following day for several hours. This was arranged by the IOW promoter when the arranged practise at Eastbourne was called off due to rain.

[Falcons50]

Quote from Joe Thompson last night in an interview was that he was sorry not to be racing as the track looked good, none of the Leicester boys had any problems riding it neither the Brummies team in the second half of the meeting. Only fallers were our own lads, hope Jamie and Adam are ok.

[BobC]

5 hours ago, Falcons50 said:

Quote from Joe Thompson last night in an interview was that he was sorry not to be racing as the track looked good, none of the Leicester boys had any problems riding it neither the Brummies team in the second half of the meeting. Only fallers were our own lads, hope Jamie and Adam are ok.

I chatted to Ellis Perks after his second win. He asked is the track always like this?  I replied that this was the best its been for a couple of months. His reply?  'The track is sh.t. Dont know why you guys pay to watch this,Id be asking for my money back'. When someone close by asked if he felt quick, he said 'not really as theres no dirt on the track. Its far too slick'

In his next ride he was winning by a country mile, went to find some dirt and promptly spun a 360, didnt fall but did hit the air fence. Wasnt so far off getting a point either. He was by far and away the quickest rider out there. He didnt gate in Ht13 and he must have tried every line possible to catch Wilson. but as he went wide, he simply went backwards.

One last thing was last nights programme. It was for the rained off meeting on May 10th. I had bought a copy of this programme directly after the original call off.  When Leicester came down for the rearranged meeting, June 14th, the same programme was used,but with out an insert. This meeting never started due to the dreadful state of the track.  Last night, youve guessed it already, yes, the SAME programme was used for a 3rd time, only this time with an insert.Full price too!  Absolutely no consideration for the fans. At least Barry Bishop on the IOW considers the fans from every angle. He may well use the original programme from the rain off, but it is always issued with an up to date insert and most importantly, FREE OF CHARGE.

Apart from perhaps one more fixture,No more plymouth for me.

 

[Mike0310]

Why are you writing this On the Plymouth v Kent thread and not the Leicester thread,why did you waste your money going last night if it’s so bad,I take on board what your saying about the programme situation that’s wrong.but if your not coming to Plymouth anymore that’s your choice you have such a downer on the place I wouldn’t bother either,Danyon Hume likes it rtd liked it,Luke Harris likes it how many Leicester boys crashed last night err none Leicester manager thought the track was bang on so it seems it’s just you bob your right stay away in fact why waste your money on even one more visit.

[IronScorpion]

It is quite amazing reading some of the threads & now BobC posts about how bad the track is & will not return except for 1 more meeting. Yet his home team is POOLE!  

[Mike0310]

53 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

It is quite amazing reading some of the threads & now BobC posts about how bad the track is & will not return except for 1 more meeting. Yet his home team is POOLE!  

I no it’s ironic isn’t it that place is so bad I don’t think I’ll visit Wimborne road again lol,the way he slates Plymouth you’d think the only time he’d want to visit again is if it was the last meeting ever then he would probably be sorry to see Plymouth go how fickle some people can be.

[Halifaxtiger]

1 hour ago, IronScorpion said:

It is quite amazing reading some of the threads & now BobC posts about how bad the track is & will not return except for 1 more meeting. Yet his home team is POOLE!  

It is within the bounds of possibility that a person may have a home track but be a regular at another 

As Mike0310 will confirm, Bob is - or rather was - a regular at Plymouth. 

 

[Halifaxtiger]

20 minutes ago, Mike0310 said:

I no it’s ironic isn’t it that place is so bad I don’t think I’ll visit Wimborne road again lol,the way he slates Plymouth you’d think the only time he’d want to visit again is if it was the last meeting ever then he would probably be sorry to see Plymouth go how fickle some people can be.

He would be sorry to see Plymouth go. So would I and many others that don't attend any more. 

But, as I have said before, I suggest you start pointing fingers a little closer to home should that be the case. 

[BobC]

1 hour ago, IronScorpion said:

It is quite amazing reading some of the threads & now BobC posts about how bad the track is & will not return except for 1 more meeting. Yet his home team is POOLE!  

Nothing amazing at all. I visited Plymouth almost weekly when I lived in Poole. For the last 7 years Ive been going every week to Plymouth,as I live in Devon. Seen more meetings there than at Poole over that time.

Poole is my hometown club, just because I dont live there doesnt mean I cannot support another.

This season has seen the overall standard of racing drop alarmingly. The whole package needs looking at. Meeting presentation is dreadful too.Guy in the middle hasnt got much of clue, despite being there for a while. 

What bothers me most is the fact the the Promoters continuing to say there are no problems,its all in the riders minds. This despite repeated calls for track prep. One or two people saying it, fair enough,maybe there isnt a problem. With riders, Team Managers etc saying it, there clearly is. Riders will talk amongst themselves. Word will get round very quickly amongst their own.

Oh, if you read my post above, then you will see my comment regarding the track last night. To save you the time, I said 'its the best its been for months'

I certainly do not want to see Plymouth close. It is one of my favourites. Its a great little circuit,when prepared properly. 

 

[IronScorpion]

I stand corrected by HT & yourself but it is the riders that ride the track so they should have their say. Track size, shape & prep can get in riders heads & they can be defeated before setting foot on track.

Something is happening at Eastbourne tonight with it kicking off.

[Markplymouth]

8 hours ago, BobC said:

I chatted to Ellis Perks after his second win. He asked is the track always like this?  I replied that this was the best its been for a couple of months. His reply?  'The track is sh.t. Dont know why you guys pay to watch this,Id be asking for my money back'. When someone close by asked if he felt quick, he said 'not really as theres no dirt on the track. Its far too slick'

In his next ride he was winning by a country mile, went to find some dirt and promptly spun a 360, didnt fall but did hit the air fence. Wasnt so far off getting a point either. He was by far and away the quickest rider out there. He didnt gate in Ht13 and he must have tried every line possible to catch Wilson. but as he went wide, he simply went backwards.

One last thing was last nights programme. It was for the rained off meeting on May 10th. I had bought a copy of this programme directly after the original call off.  When Leicester came down for the rearranged meeting, June 14th, the same programme was used,but with out an insert. This meeting never started due to the dreadful state of the track.  Last night, youve guessed it already, yes, the SAME programme was used for a 3rd time, only this time with an insert.Full price too!  Absolutely no consideration for the fans. At least Barry Bishop on the IOW considers the fans from every angle. He may well use the original programme from the rain off, but it is always issued with an up to date insert and most importantly, FREE OF CHARGE.

Apart from perhaps one more fixture,No more plymouth for me.

 

Obviously BobC you are not getting your value for money in visiting Plymouth this year, you do not appear to be happy with anything that Plymouth are doing . Please stop wasting your time and money visiting,  not even for “perhaps one more”  I do not think your presence will be missed by many Supporters. I do believe you will miss Plymouth more than Plymouth will miss you.

[Halifaxtiger]

11 hours ago, IronScorpion said:

I stand corrected by HT & yourself but it is the riders that ride the track so they should have their say. Track size, shape & prep can get in riders heads & they can be defeated before setting foot on track.

Something is happening at Eastbourne tonight with it kicking off.

I don't agree, up to a point anyway.

Track preparation should first and foremost be to suit you and I, the paying spectator. Plymouth is a very good example : in trying to set a track up for the home team, the racing is rubbish and Bob C is not going to go any more. Believe me, he's not alone for that very same reason. 

Any business that puts the needs of paid employees above paying customers is surely asking for disaster. 

The great Ivan Mauger once said to riders : 'A track's a track. Ride it'. Providing it is not dangerous, he was right.

Finally, - and I have said this elsewhere - its no coincidence that Belle Vue is our best racing track and it has little home advantage. 

[Frenchie]

1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said:

I don't agree, up to a point anyway.

Track preparation should first and foremost be to suit you and I, the paying spectator. Plymouth is a very good example : in trying to set a track up for the home team, the racing is rubbish and Bob C is not going to go any more. Believe me, he's not alone for that very same reason. 

Any business that puts the needs of paid employees above paying customers is surely asking for disaster. 

The great Ivan Mauger once said to riders : 'A track's a track. Ride it'. Providing it is not dangerous, he was right.

Finally, - and I have said this elsewhere - its no coincidence that Belle Vue is our best racing track and it has little home advantage. 

 

Bobc has been banned from Plymouth now so its just as well he said he won't be going anymore. 

[East End Fan]

1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said:

I don't agree, up to a point anyway.

Track preparation should first and foremost be to suit you and I, the paying spectator. Plymouth is a very good example : in trying to set a track up for the home team, the racing is rubbish and Bob C is not going to go any more. Believe me, he's not alone for that very same reason. 

Any business that puts the needs of paid employees above paying customers is surely asking for disaster. 

The great Ivan Mauger once said to riders : 'A track's a track. Ride it'. Providing it is not dangerous, he was right.

Finally, - and I have said this elsewhere - its no coincidence that Belle Vue is our best racing track and it has little home advantage. 

I have only seen the new Belle Vue on the telly and I must say, it looks awesome. Too far for me to travel these days. I think I read somewhere that the

shale came from Scotland. Don't know the truth of that, but I have heard that it is now the only place that real red shale can be obtained ( think it was

on this forum). Would be very expensive for the transport to Plymouth, but it might be the answer to their prayers.

[Halifaxtiger]

18 minutes ago, East End Fan said:

I have only seen the new Belle Vue on the telly and I must say, it looks awesome. Too far for me to travel these days. I think I read somewhere that the

shale came from Scotland. Don't know the truth of that, but I have heard that it is now the only place that real red shale can be obtained ( think it was

on this forum). Would be very expensive for the transport to Plymouth, but it might be the answer to their prayers.

Plymouth's problem it seems to me is not the shale or the track, but preparation.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all under the last promotion (quite the opposite I'd say) or even under Mike Bowden. 

I see from the Plymouth forum that Mr Phillips response to Bob's criticism is to bar him. From experience, that's par for the course and potentially another £200 or so he will have to find from his own pocket.

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[Frenchie]

56 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Plymouth's problem it seems to me is not the shale or the track, but preparation.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all under the last promotion (quite the opposite I'd say) or even under Mike Bowden. 

I see from the Plymouth forum that Mr Phillips response to Bob's criticism is to bar him. From experience, that's par for the course and potentially another £200 or so he will have to find from his own pocket.

Yet Mark is probably losing more than that by people being put off going from his constant criticism. People should make their own opinions by going themselves. He had every right to bar people who are threatening his business.

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[Mike0310]

50 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Plymouth's problem it seems to me is not the shale or the track, but preparation.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all under the last promotion (quite the opposite I'd say) or even under Mike Bowden. 

I see from the Plymouth forum that Mr Phillips response to Bob's criticism is to bar him. From experience, that's par for the course and potentially another £200 or so he will have to find from his own pocket.

You crack me up you really do,the blokes business is constantly being savaged on a national forum,and finally after so much provocation the promoter says he doesn’t want him entering his track ,the track was so much better than it’s been for months as numerous people have said bob says he spoke to one rider in perks and he wasn’t happy but the other riders were. Leicester’s manager was,but not good old bob c if you can’t see why the promoter has had enough you must be more daft than I think. The work that had been put into the track in the last week was blatantly obvious but if your. So blinkered anyway your never going to change your mind.

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Plymouth's problem it seems to me is not the shale or the track, but preparation.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all under the last promotion (quite the opposite I'd say) or even under Mike Bowden. 

I see from the Plymouth forum that Mr Phillips response to Bob's criticism is to bar him. From experience, that's par for the course and potentially another £200 or so he will have to find from his own pocket.

In my work life I have ran several shops around the country, and over the past decade or so always joined any local community face book groups that exist. Not in an official capacity, just as me..

The reason being we, as often the biggest supermarket and employer in the town, will often get mentioned...

And, as is often the way, we get mentioned in a not too positive way as people will moan publicly often, but praise much less so..

However, for me, it is great (if sometimes uncomfortable) to see such issues as I at least have a chance to correct them..

What I would never do is say "you're wrong" as perception is 100% the truth for that individual making the comments..

What I would do is agree for them to meet me to discuss their gripes and fix them if I can but explain why I can't if that is the outcome..

Listening to your customers (both the good bits, but more importantly, the bad bits) seems to work..

Looks like some should try it..

 

[Mike0310]

You’ve got a valid point, bob c you were there Friday why not introduce yourself to mr Phillips tell him who you are and what you’ve been saying on a national forum about him give him your observations about his terrible track and what you would do to improve it,and see what response you get,he was looking for a tractor driver to help him out on a Friday night maybe you could be the one person he’s looking for to make his track just perfect.

[Frenchie]

He hasn't been giving a balanced report on what has been happening. He has quoted bad press from but has made no reference to the riders, promoters that have defended the track. Therefore potentially damaging a business. By all means have your own opinion but don't go hunting for quotes to try to defend your views. If people want to read all the information available they can find it themselves.