Guest Loose Diamond Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 17 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: Wonder what numpties are employed to do these drug tests. Cost us league points cause of this incident. Was he fit to ride in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 Agree,Athletics are the same but the difference being these are for long term use use eg.Asthma inhaler and have exemption term of at least a year and require testing by doctors or hospitals.Trouble is majority of these medicines has substances which are on a banned list ,even pain killers .Like you say authorities AND riders need to be aware of what they are taking in event of illness etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 17 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: Wonder what numpties are employed to do these drug tests. Cost us league points cause of this incident. Do not think you can call Drug Testers numpties ,the rider obviously failed a standard procedure and that’s the end of story for that particular night .Subsiquently they have found out what he has taken(co-codimol) it might had banned substances in it which would explain the result.Whether he was fit to ride on the night will always be in dispute in this situation.Inconclusive is the result of test and he has been cleared ,end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Do not think you can call Drug Testers numpties ,the rider obviously failed a standard procedure and that’s the end of story for that particular night .Subsiquently they have found out what he has taken(co-codimol) it might had banned substances in it which would explain the result.Whether he was fit to ride on the night will always be in dispute in this situation.Inconclusive is the result of test and he has been cleared ,end of story. Surely it`s the responsibility of any professional sports person not to take any medicine whilst competing without checking whether it is safe and legal to do so. There was only one numpty and that was Howarth. Edited July 3, 2019 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Surely it`s the responsibility of any professional sports person not to take any medicine whilst competing without checking whether it is safe and legal to do so. There was only one numpty and that was Howarth. Your are right it is.Sometimes you question whether certain speedway riders are Professional sports person though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Great to see Kyle been cleared. Just out of interest are the kits on a par with other sports or are they in need of an update. Seems strange other sports stars never seem to get suspended for taking co codomol. I’ve never known it as an performance enhancer only a pain killer. ? Codeine, which is the Co part of Co-Codamol, is an Opiate so is going to flag up a problem in a drug test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 good to see that others see the side effect of night nurse and co codamol medicines . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: Surely it`s the responsibility of any professional sports person not to take any medicine whilst competing without checking whether it is safe and legal to do so. There was only one numpty and that was Howarth. There was no numpty. He didn't fail a drugs test. It wasn't even a case of 'failing' and then the 'drug' subsequently being excused. He didn't fail it, period. Edited July 3, 2019 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Fromafar said: The cause of the failed drug test was not announced because obviously they did not know at the time .That is what Wolves said, while he did fail a sample they did say they would await the outcome. He didn't fail a drugs test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Great to see Kyle been cleared. Just out of interest are the kits on a par with other sports or are they in need of an update. Seems strange other sports stars never seem to get suspended for taking co codomol. I’ve never known it as an performance enhancer only a pain killer. ? Howarth wasn't suspended either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: He didn't fail a drugs test. Can you explain why he wasn't allowed to race then? In simple layman's terms, so we can all understand. We were told in the stadium that it was due to a family emergency, which, with all due respect, sounds as likely an explanation as you saying he didn't fail a drugs test. Edited July 3, 2019 by stewmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, stewmac said: Can you explain why he wasn't allowed to race then? In simple layman's terms, so we can all understand. The initial check suggested further analysis was needed. That further analysis was inconclusive, i.e. he didn't fail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: The initial check suggested further analysis was needed. That further analysis was inconclusive, i.e. he didn't fail. From where I'm standing, that sounds like he did not pass the test. Hence why he was not permitted to race. If we use the "innocent until proven guilty" model, surely he SHOULD have been allowed to race then. The fact that he wasn't implies guilt, (rightly or indeed wrongly as it turned out) and therefore it's hardly surprising that any logical conclusion could be anything other than he "failed" the drugs test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, BWitcher said: He didn't fail a drugs test. 4 minutes ago, BWitcher said: The initial check suggested further analysis was needed. That further analysis was inconclusive, i.e. he didn't fail. He didn’t pass a drugs test then,that has to be the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, BWitcher said: There was no numpty. He didn't fail a drugs test. It wasn't even a case of 'failing' and then the 'drug' subsequently being excused. He didn't fail it, period. He was a numpty for taking something that had Co-codamol(traces as per the BSPA statement) as a ingredient (not the correct word but can`t think of right word). no one else to blame other than him- are you saying he should sue the SCB for loss of earnings ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, racers and royals said: He was a numpty for taking something that had Co-codamol(traces as per the BSPA statement) as a ingredient (not the correct word but can`t think of right word). no one else to blame other than him- are you saying he should sue the SCB for loss of earnings ? Who is saying anyone is to blame? The procedures were followed correctly. Howarth didn't fail a drugs test. It's all very simple other than some trying to make a mountain over a mole hill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, stewmac said: From where I'm standing, that sounds like he did not pass the test. Hence why he was not permitted to race. If we use the "innocent until proven guilty" model, surely he SHOULD have been allowed to race then. The fact that he wasn't implies guilt, (rightly or indeed wrongly as it turned out) and therefore it's hardly surprising that any logical conclusion could be anything other than he "failed" the drugs test. Initially it was a fair logical conclusion, however we now know he hasn't failed. He wasn't permitted to race as those are the rules. Simply an unfortunate situation for Edinburgh and Howarth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Initially it was a fair logical conclusion, however we now know he hasn't failed. He wasn't permitted to race as those are the rules. Simply an unfortunate situation for Edinburgh and Howarth. Feel for Kyle though Witcher, i wish nothing had been announced beforehand.It is for Kyle to put it behind him and crack on in my opinion there is no stain whatsoever on his character. Edited July 3, 2019 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 18 hours ago, Dandelion said: Nothing should have been made public until they knew exactly what caused the failed drugs test... Caused unnecessary drama and grief for Kyle... Glad all has turned out well for him So was this a ACU or BSPA drug test or official WADA antidoping test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: Initially it was a fair logical conclusion, however we now know he hasn't failed. He wasn't permitted to race as those are the rules. Simply an unfortunate situation for Edinburgh and Howarth. Tragic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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