OveFundinFan Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Its a world championship, but with each country having to have a 21 (or under) year old as reserve that must have at least one ride. I have accepted that and ok with it. The competition will develop around that when countries/team managers see the need to have a good under 21 year old, and its something for under 21 years olds to aim for. Obviously some supporters are not ok with that, thats ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, r8gdp said: The meeting for me was a flop very very little team riding can only recall it happening once when dudek slowed the inside line down to wait for smarzlik to get round the outside oh and lambert waiting for Harris but with a different result. If the organisers want it to be a success give the riders a track where they can with confidence look for their team mate and ride as a team. If they go with having it in Russia again can see it being a flop again,for me polands the place most of the riders involved ride there regularly Honestly, way too much is made of the team riding aspect. Even though there was more in the old days, it certainly wasn't as prevalent as everyone seems to remember. That's why we remember it so well, because we can only recall particular riders and instances! The problem at the weekend was that most teams were unbalanced. Zmarzlik and Dudek should have been more evenly matched, and so should Sayfutdinov and Laguta. Thing is, if you don't get out of the gate (or at least to the first turn) together, it makes it really difficult, particularly at a track like Togliatti. The best instance of team riding was when Doyle took one of the opponents wide (can't remember who it was), and made a gap for Fricke to come through. Again, this is one of the problems with modern track surfaces along with modern superfast bikes which produce excessive wheelspin. Trying to slow down a race to allow your partner to catch up can be a very risky thing to attempt. Steve Edited July 23, 2019 by chunky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 It’s only a guesstimate, but i reckon Belle Vue must be in with a good shout of holding the final in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 7:18 PM, PHILIPRISING said: WASN'T their best night, I agree, but commentating from a studio thousands of miles away will always be an issue. Whereabouts is “thousands of miles away” then, Philip???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Midland Red said: Whereabouts is “thousands of miles away” then, Philip???? Hackney London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: It’s only a guesstimate, but i reckon Belle Vue must be in with a good shout of holding the final in 2020. The recent WorldU21 team cup at the NSS was way better than what was served up in Russia.Surely teams can get four riders and revert back to a proper World Cup.Nobody is interested in pairs events there is no team riding nowadays anyway.The daft idea of 2nd and 3rd being better than 1st is just rewarding failure.Finals imo should be winner take all.Both teams had two chances each of winning the grand final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 I've heard 3 places are being considered for next year. Riga, gustrow and belle vue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, colin wood said: The recent WorldU21 team cup at the NSS was way better than what was served up in Russia.Surely teams can get four riders and revert back to a proper World Cup.Nobody is interested in pairs events there is no team riding nowadays anyway.The daft idea of 2nd and 3rd being better than 1st is just rewarding failure.Finals imo should be winner take all.Both teams had two chances each of winning the grand final. No they cant, thats why swc was scrapped for son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Riga would be cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: No they cant, thats why swc was scrapped for son. They could all get four riders but not as good as the Poles ..so let's scrap it seems to be the reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Riga would be cool. The Riga track makes Togliatti look good !!! Edited July 23, 2019 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigACE Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: I've heard 3 places are being considered for next year. Riga, gustrow and belle vue Got to be Belle Vue. Helps provide entertaining and lets face it right now, Safe Speedway. All the riders i have heard say it is the best track in the World. So there, Makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: I've heard 3 places are being considered for next year. Riga, gustrow and belle vue where did you hear that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 hours ago, colin wood said: They could all get four riders but not as good as the Poles ..so let's scrap it seems to be the reasoning. Who are they? PL, SE, DK and GB might do it but the rest cant and cant afford it financially. Thats why SWC was scrapped and SoN introduced. It’s one meeting less with a smaller number of people involved, you do the math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, f-s-p said: Who are they? PL, SE, DK and GB might do it but the rest cant and cant afford it financially. Thats why SWC was scrapped and SoN introduced. It’s one meeting less with a smaller number of people involved, you do the math. I think we know that. But that does not excuse them creating such a crap competition with a crap name, using the crappiest format and rules possible, on probably the crappiest track and with the crappiest referee they could find. And they running it over two days so that the really crappy nature of it could be drawn out for the longest time possible. They all had a duty to do better once they had made the decision to replace the SWC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Mark said: where did you hear that ? That's what was being said in russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Year after year the World Cup produced some of the best racing and some of speedway's most dramatic moments. Sure it wasn't perfect, but the quest to 'improve' it has left us with a half hearted pile of rubbish. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpandroid Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 The four rider team format proved quite well that the Polish nation produce many great speedway riders, surely they should have the chance to show the world every year how much better they are, eventually the rest will catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Grand Central said: I think we know that. But that does not excuse them creating such a crap competition with a crap name, using the crappiest format and rules possible, on probably the crappiest track and with the crappiest referee they could find. And they running it over two days so that the really crappy nature of it could be drawn out for the longest time possible. They all had a duty to do better once they had made the decision to replace the SWC. You’re spot on until the last paragraph. They can only work with what they have. And I know they (FIM) have projects to help and create new things. EDIT to add ... or keep current setup alive. Edited July 24, 2019 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 16 hours ago, racers and royals said: The Riga track makes Togliatti look good !!! Ha, I don't know because it was rained off and moved when I went there a few years ago, so just had a nice weekend there. At least they could develop the track before then as it doesn't hold regular meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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