Dornier Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Not sure sorry. But bewley was fit. Spent the this weekend on his motox aswell If I heard right I wouldn`t be pleased if I was Bewley to find out my team manager had robbed me of a place in the SON.! don`t think it was wise for Rosco to disclose this but he was probably shifting the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Dornier fixer said: I thought Rosco said it was Lemon who told him Bewley wasn`t fit ! Surely The Manager of the British Team could've phoned Bewley and asked him and not taken The Aussie Team managers word for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I have no problem with Cook, but as team manager surely his job would be to tell Cook to ride the white line and make rider's go round you?? Clearly no conversion was had between rider & manager. Part of the managers job would be to see how other races have been won and see what the changes in track are?? No blame towards Cook whatsoever over this weekend. All the frustration if firmly at the managers door 48 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Cook couldn't ride inside because he didd t have the strength to ride through the ruts. In any other situation he wouldn't have rode today As Phil says Cook was unable to ride the inside properly due to his wrist injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 hours ago, TheReturn said: Why does that idiot in the commentary box keep going on about ice speedway? You should do what I do. Turn the sound off. You don't get a commentary if you are there! Also am I the only one who noticed that the Union Jack and the Australian flag in the BT studio had the red X on the middle missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Cook riding the centre of the track is what he did i the year he was in the GP’s. Even when he gated opposition went under him into the bend and that was that, he couldn’t come back. Didnt Tai say Bewley had messaged last night “get me to Russia and I will ride”. He should have been there in the pits if he was or in the team (which he should have according to Tai, me and a few others on here). Team riding is none existent with some teams. My award to the best team riding goes to Team GB, in heat 11 tonight against Germany, what Cook and Harris did for the first two laps was pretty good....... problem being they were 3rd and 4th. Ah well. The Togliatti track will be ideal for ice racing, flat and long straights, absolutely fine for ice machines with big spikes in the tyres. Rubbish for shale speedway. Please, no speedway GP there, though I think there may well be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 hours ago, DSC67 said: How can you explain to non speedway fans that after two days of racing the team with most points might not be champs ? IMO there's No need for a final the team that tops the scorecard should be champions In GP's many times the top scorer is not the winner either. Madsen won a GP winning one race all night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, mickthemuppet said: In GP's many times the top scorer is not the winner either. Madsen won a GP winning one race all night He wasn't World champ though was he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 As I noted earlier , I have seen (U tube) some decent racing before at Togliatti. I wonder if the GB team had done better there, those who are yelling "never again there" would be yelling less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, DSC67 said: How can you explain to non speedway fans that after two days of racing the team with most points might not be champs ? IMO there's No need for a final the team that tops the scorecard should be champions Another stupid comment .. The rules are known before the meeting just like they are in any other sport.. No doubt cricket fans were amazed when England won the cricket World Cup final last week after coming 4th in the league table .. How do you tell non football fans that Liverpool won the champions league when they never even champions . My brother is a non Speedway fan and understood it fine . Edited July 22, 2019 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, orion said: Another stupid comment .. The rules are known before the meeting just like they are in any other sport.. No doubt cricket fans were amazed when England won the cricket World Cup final last week after coming 4th in the league table .. How do you tell non football fans that Liverpool won the champions league when they never even champions . My brother is a non Speedway fan and understood it fine . I don't think that that non champions should be playing in the champions league, I also don't agree that the teams who drop out should go into the Europa Cup as for the cricket it should be split into two groups with the group winners playing in the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, mickthemuppet said: 16 minutes ago, orion said: Another stupid comment .. The rules are known before the meeting just like they are in any other sport.. No doubt cricket fans were amazed when England won the cricket World Cup final last week after coming 4th in the league table .. How do you tell non football fans that Liverpool won the champions league when they never even champions . And Liverpool didn't win the Premier League, despite losing only one game to Manchester City's four. And Roger Federer (36) won more games than Novak Djokovic (32), yet Djokovic won Wimbledon. Is everyone up in arms about it, and protesting the systems? Of course not... Funny, but speedway fans are so fixed on "try explaining that to non-speedway fans". All they are doing is justifying (or attempting to justify) to themselves what they believe is wrong with speedway, and why non-speedway fans don't follow the sport. Like things like that are important to non-speedway fans. Whatever system is used, there will always be anomalies... Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, DSC67 said: I don't think that that non champions should be playing in the champions league, I also don't agree that the teams who drop out should go into the Europa Cup as for the cricket it should be split into two groups with the group winners playing in the final Should it now? You probably feel the same way about the football World Cup. And the Olympic rowing events with the repechage. And fastest losers in Olympic athletics events. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, DSC67 said: I don't think that that non champions should be playing in the champions league, I also don't agree that the teams who drop out should go into the Europa Cup as for the cricket it should be split into two groups with the group winners playing in the final Not sure non cricket fans or non football fans would understand that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, orion said: Not sure non cricket fans or non football fans would understand that Of course, speedway was so much better in the old days, particularly in the World Championship. Sixteen qualifying meetings with only the winner from each making it to the World Final! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, chunky said: Of course, speedway was so much better in the old days, particularly in the World Championship. Sixteen qualifying meetings with only the winner from each making it to the World Final! Must have been hard to explain it to non speedway fans . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I'm not a great fan of this competition. I think it has many flaws. On it's own, it's fine, but as a replacement for the World Cup it's a disaster. I remember some epic World Cups, with some amazing races. This just doesn't live up to it, and it's pretty clear it's been done to stop Poland dominating. Could they not, at least, revert to the World Cup every 4 years? I hope that happens but I won't hold my breath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 One thing has been clarified overnight by someone who knows. Yesterday i suggested that Sweden had broken the rules with their use of the U21 rider and i quoted this rule. " The U21 Rider must race in a minimum of 1 heat in each meeting, Final day 1 and Final day 2 will be classed as 2 meetings. If the U21 does not get nominated before the last programmed heat for his country he will automatically replace the rider in Red or White." I now know that i misinterpreted this rule(understandably i think !) and it actually means that if a team are just about to be pushed off for the last of their programmed rides and the reserve hasn`t been used, the Race Director will step in and make the reserve go in place of the red or white(depending on their gates). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Grachan said: I'm not a great fan of this competition. I think it has many flaws. On it's own, it's fine, but as a replacement for the World Cup it's a disaster. I remember some epic World Cups, with some amazing races. This just doesn't live up to it, and it's pretty clear it's been done to stop Poland dominating. Could they not, at least, revert to the World Cup every 4 years? I hope that happens but I won't hold my breath. CAN you imagine a GB squad of five riders in an old-style World Cup over the weekend without Tai... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, PHILIPRISING said: CAN you imagine a GB squad of five riders in an old-style World Cup over the weekend without Tai... We'd be hopeless, as would many other countries without their top rider. The World Cup was a better event though, although it did tend to end up with the same few countries all the time in the final. In terms of GB? Yes, we have a much greater chance under this format. That doesn't make it a better competition though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Grachan said: We'd be hopeless, as would many other countries without their top rider. The World Cup was a better event though, although it did tend to end up with the same few countries all the time in the final. In terms of GB? Yes, we have a much greater chance under this format. That doesn't make it a better competition though. SON has its pros and cons (not least the title) but as ever we in the UK need to appreciate that the views of fans in many other countries, many of which have greater speedway audiences than we do, have contrasting views. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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