Midland Red Posted June 30, 2019 Report Share Posted June 30, 2019 Following recent meetings being cut short due to curfews, and subsequent discussion/argument as to their validity, is it now time for a rule to be introduced that, for every meeting, a cut-off time is printed in the programme within the details of officials and riders for the meeting - then, should a curfew be necessary, there can be no misunderstanding and the spectators are well aware of the situation 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted June 30, 2019 Report Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 8:35 AM, Midland Red said: Following recent meetings being cut short due to curfews, and subsequent discussion/argument as to their validity, is it now time for a rule to be introduced that, for every meeting, a cut-off time is printed in the programme within the details of officials and riders for the meeting - then, should a curfew be necessary, there can be no misunderstanding and the spectators are well aware of the situation Expand Thats far to sensible a ruling for the BSPA to adopt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapeworm Posted June 30, 2019 Report Share Posted June 30, 2019 That ruling would not relieve the problem of curtailed meetings, merely letting the public know the restriction. How about making clubs with curfews have a start time at least 3 hours earlier than the cut-off giving more chance, in the event of a delay, of providing the paying public with the 15 heats they've expected to see when paying their entry monies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted June 30, 2019 Report Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 9:13 AM, Tapeworm said: That ruling would not relieve the problem of curtailed meetings, merely letting the public know the restriction. How about making clubs with curfews have a start time at least 3 hours earlier than the cut-off giving more chance, in the event of a delay, of providing the paying public with the 15 heats they've expected to see when paying their entry monies? Expand That would mean Kent starting at 5.30 or earlier! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 30, 2019 Report Share Posted June 30, 2019 Think there should be a notice on the gate, just like there used to be about not getting your money back if the meeting was called off after set number of heats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Absolutely that should be the case and is probably a legal requirement ( can anyone tell us )? Promoters seemingly love to erode or fudge around any consumer rights that supporters may have and go blindly on with their Arthur Daley way of "organising" things. They really are stuck in the 1950s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 6:17 AM, waytogo28 said: Absolutely that should be the case and is probably a legal requirement ( can anyone tell us )? Promoters seemingly love to erode or fudge around any consumer rights that supporters may have and go blindly on with their Arthur Daley way of "organising" things. They really are stuck in the 1950s. Expand I don't really recall many advance notices regarding the six heat stipulation prior to entering stadiums after paying my entrance fee. It was only obvious when buying a programme once inside that very often one was aware of the ruling. To those regular fans it was obviously well known but to newcomers on potentially their first visit not really acceptable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 6:48 AM, steve roberts said: I don't really recall many advance notices regarding the six heat stipulation prior to entering stadiums after paying my entrance fee. It was only obvious when buying a programme once inside that very often one was aware of the ruling. To those regular fans it was obviously well known but to newcomers on potentially their first visit not really acceptable. Expand I am sure Wimbledon had notices about abandoned meetings for both Speedway and Dog Racing which were on the outside of the turnstiles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 7:33 AM, Chris116 said: I am sure Wimbledon had notices about abandoned meetings for both Speedway and Dog Racing which were on the outside of the turnstiles. Expand I don't recall see any at Cowley but I may have missed them...but on my travels around the country I don't remember seeing many strategically placed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 I remember them at Brandon back in CO's days, but whether they remained in more recent times I'm not sure My original point remains the same, that any cut-off time should be printed on the race card part of the programme so that there can be no dispute if it comes into play 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 9:13 AM, Tapeworm said: That ruling would not relieve the problem of curtailed meetings, merely letting the public know the restriction. How about making clubs with curfews have a start time at least 3 hours earlier than the cut-off giving more chance, in the event of a delay, of providing the paying public with the 15 heats they've expected to see when paying their entry monies? Expand I'm sure some tracks have restrictions on not only when they must finish, but when they can start too. Somerset always had a policy in the past of no bikes running before 7pm and then no bikes running after 10pm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 9:04 AM, Midland Red said: I remember them at Brandon back in CO's days, but whether they remained in more recent times I'm not sure My original point remains the same, that any cut-off time should be printed on the race card part of the programme so that there can be no dispute if it comes into play Expand In my older programmes, it was always....almost without exception, printed in the programme about abandonment prior to heat 6.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 12:30 PM, Najjer said: I'm sure some tracks have restrictions on not only when they must finish, but when they can start too. Somerset always had a policy in the past of no bikes running before 7pm and then no bikes running after 10pm. Expand That's correct. Mildenhall certainly have one and I believe Isle of Wight do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 I recall the old Belle Vue at Hyde Road had a self imposed curfew to end the racing at a certain time so as people would then spend their money at the adjacent Fun Fair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 12:18 AM, andout said: In my older programmes, it was always....almost without exception, printed in the programme about abandonment prior to heat 6.... Expand I was referring to the time of any curfew (cut-off time), not any abandonment prior to completion of heat 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 5:59 AM, steve roberts said: I recall the old Belle Vue at Hyde Road had a self imposed curfew to end the racing at a certain time so as people would then spend their money at the adjacent Fun Fair! Expand Yes, 9-00 I think after a 7-00 start on a Saturday night. Meetings usually ran like clockwork. You could tell what time it was by looking to see which race was on! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWaller Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 9:20 AM, Sotonian said: That would mean Kent starting at 5.30 or earlier! Expand Think you’ll find that Kent’s curfew extends 2 hours beyond start time so if they chose to start at 5.30, curfew time would be 7.30 - presuming that 8.30 is the latest that they can finish hence the half six start time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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