Starman2006 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ouch said: I’m afraid to say reading through your thoughts on this it makes no sense to me whatsoever and only raises more questions with regards issue 13. It’s tedious in the extreme how this sport works as some participants look to gain an off track advantage. Maybe I need to speak with Craig Ackroyd to help me get my head round it. Nevermind eh, keep munching on those grapes. I hear they are precious in Manchester... Edited July 2, 2019 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, ouch said: I’m afraid to say reading through your thoughts on this it makes no sense to me whatsoever and only raises more questions with regards issue 13. It’s tedious in the extreme how this sport works as some participants look to gain an off track advantage. Maybe I need to speak with Craig Ackroyd to help me get my head round it. Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 57 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: But not by you. Do you have a team to support, or are you now a closet Poole fan . ???? I said that Poole were favourites to win at Belle Vue.......and they did........it was expected by most people I do have a team to support...........you must know them.......top of the league in our first season back.......... And because im an Ipswich fan does that mean i cant comment on any other teams...........fool 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Regardless of all the arguments on here (from the usual suspects!!) , as a neutral fan, I thoroughly enjoyed the meeting which was by far the best one on TV this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ouch said: I’m afraid to say reading through your thoughts on this it makes no sense to me whatsoever and only raises more questions with regards issue 13. It’s tedious in the extreme how this sport works as some participants look to gain an off track advantage. Maybe I need to speak with Craig Ackroyd to help me get my head round it. Feel free to send me a PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ouch said: I’m afraid to say reading through your thoughts on this it makes no sense to me whatsoever and only raises more questions with regards issue 13. It’s tedious in the extreme how this sport works as some participants look to gain an off track advantage. Maybe I need to speak with Craig Ackroyd to help me get my head round it. He will probably ring you back hours later with the right answer and a grovelling apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ytsejam said: Regardless of all the arguments on here (from the usual suspects!!) , as a neutral fan, I thoroughly enjoyed the meeting which was by far the best one on TV this season. Agreed.But nobody can deny we deserved the win. Although all poole fans will not take that result for granted. Should we meet in the play off's. Neither will Neil Matt nor the team.. Edited July 2, 2019 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, NeilWatson said: That's not the case Neil sorry if this appears pedantic but Issue 13 as you correctly point out shows BV effective 30/06. I have the printout in front of me! However it also shows Belle Vue's team total being 43.09 including Aarnio at 4.55. Aarnio's average is higher than both of Wells' averages 4.52 or 4.24, so how is it allowed when the team total is in excess of 42.50? Edited July 2, 2019 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Agreed.But nobody can deny we deserved the win. Although all poole fans will not take that result for granted. Should we meet in the play off's. Neither will Neil Matt nor the team.. Rode Belle Vue twice and drawn and won I would say that Belle Vue will be Pooles first choice of opponents should they get the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisdonnelly Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Garry1603 said: I think the debate about the BSPA ruling is overlooking the fact that Belle Vue were well beaten tonight with only Fricke (and to a smaller extent Lidsey) coming out with any credit. The two point deficit flattered the Aces and unfortunately it looks like we are a little short of top class when it comes down to it. The most concerning thing for me is the form of Bewley and Worrall who both look (understandably) a level below last season. I think we all suspected that entrusting Dan with a heat leader role was going to be a leap of faith, but sadly it looks like he's going to take longer than anticipated to step up. Don't think we need to change any personnel, but we might just have to live with an 'if only' season and review again in the winter. Agree, to me both dan and Steve’s bottle has gone. Totally understandable but that’s not going to cut it for winning the league. Dan has the capability to return to form but I fear steve has nothing left to give. Constantly shutting off in tough situations and only races when he’s out in front. The only good signs were beginning of the season against poor teams in meaningless matches. After his playoff performances last 2 years I’d have said bye bye. 1 point at home is just not good enough, far too many chances now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Chrisdonnelly said: Agree, to me both dan and Steve’s bottle has gone. Totally understandable but that’s not going to cut it for winning the league. Dan has the capability to return to form but I fear steve has nothing left to give. Constantly shutting off in tough situations and only races when he’s out in front. The only good signs were beginning of the season against poor teams in meaningless matches. After his playoff performances last 2 years I’d have said bye bye. 1 point at home is just not good enough, far too many chances now I agree with this. He escapes criticism sometimes, but I think Steve has probably run his course as a BV rider now. He's been around a while but the development has now stopped and he's barely cutting it as a 2nd string. Our middle order is weak. We need to get dan to reserve somehow and replace Worall and Berge. TBH this season is a wrote off for me, we are not making the play offs with this team. Bigger concern though is the money they can generate. We need to be a part of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisdonnelly Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, acef said: I agree with this. He escapes criticism sometimes, but I think Steve has probably run his course as a BV rider now. He's been around a while but the development has now stopped and he's barely cutting it as a 2nd string. Our middle order is weak. We need to get dan to reserve somehow and replace Worall and Berge. TBH this season is a wrote off for me, we are not making the play offs with this team. Bigger concern though is the money they can generate. We need to be a part of it Dan really needs to be riding in the championship as well, he’s not had a team place in Poland this year due to form. It’s a risk riding in the lower league after his injury but I think lack of activity is effecting his progression. I don’t want to knock the riders because it’s a bloody tough sport but I want to see the club i love do well and win the league again but until we have a proper think about riders it’s not going to happen. Getting rid of cook was a total wrong decision, not sure why this happened but we’ve lost a gem there. I don’t think the club now truely believe they can win the league so why are we not just dropping down a league and making more money with more local derbies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 Neither of them has lost their bottle. They are not backing out of tight first bends and are chasing close to other riders when behind. I tend to agree that Steve may have reached his standard in the top league, a good second string but wouldn't yet count out further improvement. Dan is coming back from a more recent and more serious injury. He returned to racing much earlier than expected and it is unrealistic to expect him to already be back to where he was. I think he is also suffering from a lack of meetings. The Premier to Championship average formula makes it very difficult for him to get a place in that league and his Polish team seem not to be prepared to allow him time to settle back into racing there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Aces51 said: Neither of them has lost their bottle. They are not backing out of tight first bends and are chasing close to other riders when behind. I tend to agree that Steve may have reached his standard in the top league, a good second string but wouldn't yet count out further improvement. Dan is coming back from a more recent and more serious injury. He returned to racing much earlier than expected and it is unrealistic to expect him to already be back to where he was. I think he is also suffering from a lack of meetings. The Premier to Championship average formula makes it very difficult for him to get a place in that league and his Polish team seem not to be prepared to allow him time to settle back into racing there. He's fell out with his polish club, but rospigana have picked him up in the swedish league. I also think he will end up at Edinburgh which will help. Steve is another matter imo. He's just not on the planet at the minute and is prone to a really poor meeting, something we haven't seen for a few years now. He should be scoring at least 8 a meeting from number 4, especially at home. Our middle order this season is a huge issue. It's not delivering anywhere near what was expected and ultimately will cost us a place in the play offs I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 hours ago, acef said: TBH this season is a write off for me, we are not making the play offs with this team. Are you only bothered about winning, then? Do you not attend because you enjoy the sport itself? In years gone by, it never seemed to matter that much, fans of the sport went week in, week out mainly for the love of speedway And there was possibly more attachment to individual riders rather than the teams, highlighted when the big individual meetings came around Trips down to that London for World Final, Internationale, etc were the big occasions Of course, you had to attend to see the sport, as it wasn't all over the tv and other screens then 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 2 July 2019 at 3:47 PM, NeilWatson said: The difference is that Ricky Wells is injured, so Belle Vue couldn't revert to the previous declaration. For correctness, Wells' average from 1st July is 4.24 (converts to 6.36) Which exceeds 6.36 Correct ! Can you talk me through that one, Mr W - please! What exceeds 6.36? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Midland Red said: Are you only bothered about winning, then? Do you not attend because you enjoy the sport itself? In years gone by, it never seemed to matter that much, fans of the sport went week in, week out mainly for the love of speedway And there was possibly more attachment to individual riders rather than the teams, highlighted when the big individual meetings came around Trips down to that London for World Final, Internationale, etc were the big occasions Of course, you had to attend to see the sport, as it wasn't all over the tv and other screens then Will attend regardless. Where we finish wont stop that, certainly at the NSS where the racing is outstanding. I still travel across the uk watching the sport, I just have a general passion for motorsport so winning or losing is immaterial to me. But people like you and me are few and far between. My concern for bv is the money that the play offs will bring. We are suffering with a Thursday race night so getting there is key, it could potentially keep the current promotion involved and the club alive. If we keep this team, then there is a distinct reality that it may not happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 "Suffering with a Thursday" - I believe you suffer also with Monday nights Supports the case for UK speedway teams to operate on the best night for them Belle Vue, like Coventry, was always a Saturday night track It has to happen - it may not work, I know - but it has to be given a chance, and the goodwill has to be there, for a bigger "senior league" operating whatever nights tracks want, need, to run, and if it means some sort of rider control, like we saw years back, and we lose some riders who chase the zloty, etc., then so be it Otherwise, UK speedway will be gone 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 It amazes me that we can be considered rubbish, if we had scored 5 more race points in certain meetings - which has a minuscule effect on the overall team performance, we would have 7 more match points. Everyone would be extolling the virtues of this great team as we sat proud at the top of the league. The lost points against Poole this week has as much to do with off track shenanigans as it does on track performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, ouch said: It amazes me that we can be considered rubbish, if we had scored 5 more race points in certain meetings - which has a minuscule effect on the overall team performance, we would have 7 more match points. Everyone would be extolling the virtues of this great team as we sat proud at the top of the league. The lost points against Poole this week has as much to do with off track shenanigans as it does on track performance. Your team was beaten fair and square on track in both meetings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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