bigcatdiary Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, ouch said: We signed Tero but due to his injury we had to revert to our previous declaration and include Ricky. This is what also happened at Kings Lynn with Nicol/Lambert. Issue 13 PL averages effective 1/07/19 have Ricky at 4.52. This allows us to use a CL guest up to 6.78. Issue 16 CL averages effective 1/07/19 have Vissing 6.65 Aces rode against Poole 01/07/19 It’s happened like that for years, We lost Kennett last year when he broke his arm riding in a grasstrack event prior to his first meeting. Its like a lot of rules in our rule book that needs reviewing and possibly amending but as it stands at present it’s no facility. GSA are another story, they are so complicated now I doubt anyone knows them inside out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, bigcatdiary said: It’s happened like that for years, We lost Kennett last year when he broke his arm riding in a grasstrack event prior to his first meeting. Its like a lot of rules in our rule book that needs reviewing and possibly amending but as it stands at present it’s no facility. GSA are another story, they are so complicated now I doubt anyone knows them inside out. As I've said before. Common sense should apply and it didnt. As it were, it actually looks as though we were allowed a facility anyway so indeed the rules were not followed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: He'll say Poole are rubbish for not winning by 20 points! Nope try reading the thread Said Poole were favourites to win and they duly did........Poole go well at the NSS and were up against a weaker Belle Vue so it was the expected result If Kurtz didnt do his usual disappearing act in the latter heats you would have had all 4 points Pooles middle order are doing the business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, acef said: As I've said before. Common sense should apply and it didnt. As it were, it actually looks as though we were allowed a facility anyway so indeed the rules were not followed Since when has common sense ever been applied in UK Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: These ' decisions ' can be made by one individual on the management team. If that individual happens to have a vested interest in the result then he makes his decision accordingly. Has happened many times recently with those on the top table benefitting . One club can cancel a fixture as its not good business sense to run when riders are unavailable, another club gets threatened with fines for wanting to do the very same. A club gets granted a facility for a missing rider when there is no facility in the rule book, another club gets denied it. Several clubs apply to run on a certan evening but only the maagement teams clubs get to run that night and the others suffer the consequences. it goes on and on. Only an independent ' Ruler ' with no connection to any existing club will put a stops this. Why can't the Auto Cycle Uion run the sport? Is the top and bottom of it. There is an established elite. It's as corrupt as UEFA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Gavan said: Nope try reading the thread Said Poole were favourites to win and they duly did........Poole go well at the NSS and were up against a weaker Belle Vue so it was the expected result If Kurtz didnt do his usual disappearing act in the latter heats you would have had all 4 points Pooles middle order are doing the business Luke Becker was crap too. 3 points when he got 7 last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, acef said: Ah! That changes things that last bit Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Luke Becker was crap too. 3 points when he got 7 last time. Worrall, Covatti, NBJ . 10 points between them last time and the result was 45-45 R/R , Becker, Etheridge . 11 points between them this time and Poole win by 2 I would say the result was pretty much spot on and expected.........in fact with Bickley replacing Wells (0 and not 4) maybe Poole should have took the 4 points 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 If the rules were followed we could have used Vissing. The powers that be told us that Tero HAD to be the rider we were replacing and a replacement is at the “directors discretion”. They denied an adequate replacement and we were forced to track Kyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Why? It doesn't actually, because there is a bit that says you cant redeclare an injured rider, I was getting my dates mixed up as well. Regardless, on the back of 2 genuine and unfortunate injuries bv were declined a facility where others would be granted one. That's the real argument here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Belle Vue fans should whinging on here should just admit they were beaten by a far more determined Poole side who themselves were devastated by injuries. Middlo showing why he is the best manager in the country by getting the very best out of his patched up side, leaving Lemon in his wake. Pirates serious title contenders. The replacement for Worral will be crucial 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) All this jiggery pokery of the rules, some cant, some can, a favoured few, if it suits me I will do it because I can..... its whats wrong with speedway today. Back in 2013 I started to get my love back for the sport that I lost in the early 80's. I struggling big time to come back. I went to Cardiff 2013-14-15, I did the world team at BV 3years ago and thats it for live speedway. I subscribe to BT so watch all the GPs and love them, other international events and enjoy them, the British speedway league I suffer them. Just cant catch on to British speedway at the moment so wont travel the 60 mile round trip to BV, no matter how good the track and facilities are. And each year as I get older it lessens the chance of me ever going . Its sad, but its my reality. British speedway desperately needs a massive shake up like never before, and not just one big league. Just because it worked before does not mean it will work again. Can I see this massive shake up coming...... No not really, again sad but its my reality. As for last night, great speedway at times. Poole were worthy winners no doubt about it. Think the outside lines were not as fulfilling as can be at BV and it took until Berge hugged the line for it to be seen where was perhaps the better line - too late. Edited July 2, 2019 by OveFundinFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Gavan said: Worrall, Covatti, NBJ . 10 points between them last time and the result was 45-45 R/R , Becker, Etheridge . 11 points between them this time and Poole win by 2 I would say the result was pretty much spot on and expected.........in fact with Bickley replacing Wells (0 and not 4) maybe Poole should have took the 4 points If Worrall, Covatti and NBJ this time don't you think they would have got more than 10 with Bickley riding? I agree we probably should have got 4 points with Bickley riding but Becker 3 points didn't help much, Jack rode well and so did Josh, Brady rode well earlier in the meeting, I know you always go on about Brady fading in meetings but he was against Fricke and Bjerre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) Well done the patched up Pirates. Like BV at Wimborne Road last week who came for a point and got one, Poole came for the win and got that too. Result!! Particular congrats to Josh G and Max Fricke. Both superb performances. Edited July 2, 2019 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Belle Vue fans should whinging on here should just admit they were beaten by a far more determined Poole side who themselves were devastated by injuries. Middlo showing why he is the best manager in the country by getting the very best out of his patched up side, leaving Lemon in his wake. Pirates serious title contenders. The replacement for Worral will be crucial And Worrall's replacement will have to be like for like as we are be a point above the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, foreverblue said: And Worrall's replacement will have to be like for like as we are be a point above the limit. Of course as them's the rules!! Unless we make 2 or 3 changes and redeclare with a 3 point reserve or similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Congratulations to Poole on a deserved win. I have never seen Grajczonek ride as well as he did last night. I must admit that I was surprised that our late rally ended up with us only losing by 2. It was an entertaining meeting. I don't think we need worry too much if both Poole and ourselves get to and meet in the play offs. We lost by 2 at Poole and I would be confident that Worrall, Bewley and our second reserve will score more than they did last night. R/r and the guests for Poole achieved what their regular team members would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Of course as them's the rules!! Unless we make 2 or 3 changes and redeclare with a 3 point reserve or similar? Don't think that is a option, I would wait for Covatti to return after injury possibly not too long I hope, so max two changes for me which could be Kasper Gomolski and a 3 pointer For Richie and NBJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Congratulations to Poole on a deserved win. I have never seen Grajczonek ride as well as he did last night. I must admit that I was surprised that our late rally ended up with us only losing by 2. It was an entertaining meeting. I don't think we need worry too much if both Poole and ourselves get to and meet in the play offs. We lost by 2 at Poole and I would be confident that Worrall, Bewley and our second reserve will score more than they did last night. R/r and the guests for Poole achieved what their regular team members would have done. Yes I think you losing by 2 papers over the cracks though, Josh is amazing at the moment, really don't know why and I doubt he does either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 I think if Ipswich finish top they may choose Poole anyway The team that gets 4th could well be an in form team and one you would want to avoid Ipswich i dont think would do to well at Belle Vue if they make it so the option would no doubt be Poole But if Poole get first choice they would choose Belle Vue as they go well there Im not saying Belle Vue are better than Poole or vice versa, just some teams go better at certain tracks.........Poole ride Belle Vue better than they ride Foxhall...........and Ipswich ride Poole better than they ride Belle Vue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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