DSC67 Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Fromafar said: There is a worrying trend from Promotions just to tell the public a load of Bullsh#t these days, when really they just have to tell the truth it does not help the credibility of such Promotions.There has been no explanation regarding Howarth yet apart from the” family emergency “ yet,so we will have to wait and see. Bullsh#t and Mushrooms fans favourite food these days It's usually never the original act ,but the attempted cover up that catches you out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh1218 Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Before testing riders are asked have you taken any non prescription drugs and Hogarth replied No according to every source , not calling Howarth as to me he is innocent until guilty but if the new test comes back as positive he’s been a silly boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, CottonOn said: What on earth are you going on about? No one said anything about Beta Blockers. Howarth has said he took Night Nurse. Before doing a drugs screening test at the track the rider is asked if they have taken any medication. Since he's said he took NIght Nurse, (and we have no evidence of anything else) we can only assume that NIght Nurse is the reason the screening test threw up what they call a "non-negative", which needs to be tested. With a "non-negative" in the screening test, the rider is disqualified from the meeting, and the sample has to undergo a drugs test at a laboratory. Of course if any rider's drugs test comes back positive for a banned substance they deserve to be banned for a long time. But if what Howarth says is true, then the drugs test will identify Night Nurse, and he'll be free to continue riding because Night Nurse doesn't contain anything on the WADA banned list. (There are many websites you can google yourself where you can easily see the IOC's list of what medications are on the WADA banned list). so here is part 2 of my night nurse post . looking up on the night nurse site it says in the leaflet provided with the medicine , item number 4 (four) it says possible side effects . poss side effects ..DROWSINESS, DIZZINESS , BLURED VISION , DIFFICULTY CONCENTRATING , UNSTEADINESS , CLUMSINESS , HEADACHE , DRY MOUTH . ! DRIVING AND OPERATING MACHINERY .. this medicine can affect your ability to drive caused by the above side effects. it also states in the same paragraph ....DO NOT DRIVE OR OPERATE MACHINERY . we are led to believe that kyle answered NO to taking any substances . then he failed a simple drugs test and then i can only assume he told them about the night nurse . at this point i assume the person in charge told him he would not be allowed to ride that night , prob as to the uncertainty of the drug side effect . as said before , night nurse is not a banned medicine but the side effects can be lethal . %100 correct to move him out of the meeting . maybe that explains an awful lot regarding kyles form . too much night nurse . check it . out for yourself online as somebody told me to do .. !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, jenga said: so here is part 2 of my night nurse post . looking up on the night nurse site it says in the leaflet provided with the medicine , item number 4 (four) it says possible side effects . poss side effects ..DROWSINESS, DIZZINESS , BLURED VISION , DIFFICULTY CONCENTRATING , UNSTEADINESS , CLUMSINESS , HEADACHE , DRY MOUTH . ! DRIVING AND OPERATING MACHINERY .. this medicine can affect your ability to drive caused by the above side effects. it also states in the same paragraph ....DO NOT DRIVE OR OPERATE MACHINERY . we are led to believe that kyle answered NO to taking any substances . then he failed a simple drugs test and then i can only assume he told them about the night nurse . at this point i assume the person in charge told him he would not be allowed to ride that night , prob as to the uncertainty of the drug side effect . as said before , night nurse is not a banned medicine but the side effects can be lethal . %100 correct to move him out of the meeting . maybe that explains an awful lot regarding kyles form . too much night nurse . check it . out for yourself online as somebody told me to do .. !. But how long does Night Nurse stay in your system,he presumably did not take it on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gringo said: But how long does Night Nurse stay in your system,he presumably did not take it on Friday. who knows , only kyle knows, he may have even had the odd swig on the way up to the meeting to combat the cold/injury aches . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, jenga said: who knows , only kyle knows, he may have even had the odd swig on the way up to the meeting to combat the cold/injury aches . And was he under the influence of Night Nurse when at Birmingham earlier this month he went to the starting gates without putting his gloves on(for which he was excluded). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Gringo said: And was he under the influence of Night Nurse when at Birmingham earlier this month he went to the starting gates without putting his gloves on(for which he was excluded). and that's only right, as am sure nurses have to wear gloves, incase you catch a disease off them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, jenga said: who knows , only kyle knows, he may have even had the odd swig on the way up to the meeting to combat the cold/injury aches . Don't you only have night nurse if you wanna go to kip ?,,, maybe he couldn't really be arst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Don't you only have night nurse if you wanna go to kip ?,,, maybe he couldn't really be arst I hope you are not driving tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gringo said: I hope you are not driving tonight. No am not, av never even drove at all today, a hope the motor starts t'morro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Question on the rules regarding Howarth not actually taking the guest booking. How can Edinburgh be allowed to use the R/R facility when a rider fails to take his place at the last minute for a non speedway incident? ( Family emergency) Cant find a reason they should have been allowed R/ R , should it not have been a no facility situation and therefore only the reserves allowed to cover his absence? answers on a postcard please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Question on the rules regarding Howarth not actually taking the guest booking. How can Edinburgh be allowed to use the R/R facility when a rider fails to take his place at the last minute for a non speedway incident? ( Family emergency) Cant find a reason they should have been allowed R/ R , should it not have been a no facility situation and therefore only the reserves allowed to cover his absence? answers on a postcard please. You don’t really believe the “family incident story”.He either refused a drugs or failed a drugs test on the night is nearer the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You don’t really believe the “family incident story”.He either refused a drugs or failed a drugs test on the night is nearer the truth Don't really believe it but the question still stands. I can't see why they were allowed R/R ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Don't really believe it but the question still stands. I can't see why they were allowed R/R ? The Referee must have known the real reason he was not allowed to ride,and gave a decision under the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Don't really believe it but the question still stands. I can't see why they were allowed R/R ? Because they did not have a guest ,is the obvious answer.A guest or R/r were the options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Gringo said: The Referee must have known the real reason he was not allowed to ride,and gave a decision under the rules. Referees have a history of not knowing all the rules. A ref was informed of a rule infringement at one of last nights fixtures, his reply was ' oh let's just get on with it, time is dragging on and he won't win the race anyway !" I asked two promoters today there understanding of the situation and both said the rule book states no facility for R/R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just now, Fortythirtyeight said: Referees have a history of not knowing all the rules. A ref was informed of a rule infringement at one of last nights fixtures, his reply was ' oh let's just get on with it, time is dragging on and he won't win the race anyway !" I asked two promoters today there understanding of the situation and both said the rule book states no facility for R/R. I’d put any money on it they didn’t say that... R/R is a facility. Your comment then means “no facility for a facility” which doesn’t mage sense. Edinburgh had the option of a guest or R/R as long as only one rider was missing and the rider was in the top three in the averages. If you book a guest and he doesn’t turn up or isn’t available for any other reason, then you revert to R/R. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Read the rule book. A rider doesn't turn up with a team having been declared is classed as no facility situation. R/ R has to be applied for and approved as the missing riders absence has to be covered under the existing exemptions, leaving for a family crisis is not covered. You can't change your declaration at the last minute to suit. but obviously they did! Edited June 29, 2019 by Fortythirtyeight Clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Read the rule book. A rider doesn't turn up with a team having been declared is classed as no facility situation. R/ R has to be applied for and approved as the missing riders absence has to be covered under the existing exemptions, leaving for a family crisis is not covered. You can't change your declaration at the last minute to suit. but obviously they did! But if it was not a "family crisis" & just the absence of a guest,it would surely revert to R/R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted June 29, 2019 Report Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just now, Gringo said: But if it was not a "family crisis" & just the absence of a guest,it would surely revert to R/R. No....it's simply a rider not turning up!.... No facility for R/R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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