Robinh88 Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 Even with the reduced limit again for 2019. Why consistently year after year are Berwick Speedway falling short? Like or loathe the governing bodies, they give clubs like Berwick a fantastic opportunity to be competitive every winter. Why again do we have no real top end strength? Why have the club raised admission fees significantly for 2019 yet the management still persist with certain riders who have little to no improvement in them? Nothing wrong with mediocrity but if this continues I don't forsee attendances improving at £17 a pop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tellitasitis Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Even with the reduced limit again for 2019. Why consistently year after year are Berwick Speedway falling short? Like or loathe the governing bodies, they give clubs like Berwick a fantastic opportunity to be competitive every winter. Why again do we have no real top end strength? Why have the club raised admission fees significantly for 2019 yet the management still persist with certain riders who have little to no improvement in them? Nothing wrong with mediocrity but if this continues I don't forsee attendances improving at £17 a pop. £17 was a big mistake in my opinion It was £15 tonight be interesting to see if it stays at that price which, if it does, would mean the promotion were wrong to increase Edited June 22, 2019 by Tellitasitis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, emilali said: What would you say in the match report for tonight’s meeting? Probably the poorest meeting this season to be fair. But that's what happens when better riders get in front. Berwick beaten by a better team tonight. I do feel that there has been a lot of over-reactions on here though. I bet you could look back on every season and find poor meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Even with the reduced limit again for 2019. Why consistently year after year are Berwick Speedway falling short? Like or loathe the governing bodies, they give clubs like Berwick a fantastic opportunity to be competitive every winter. Why again do we have no real top end strength? Why have the club raised admission fees significantly for 2019 yet the management still persist with certain riders who have little to no improvement in them? Nothing wrong with mediocrity but if this continues I don't forsee attendances improving at £17 a pop. You can sum Berwick up each season with one phrase "shortage of money". It doesn't matter what you set the averages to, there will always be clubs who can offer better money to the riders who give best value for their averages. Berwick cannot afford to get involved in bidding wars like this. Similar for trying to attract top end riders. Probably why Berwick have traditionally gone for a strength in depth approach. Last year it almost paid off, getting within a point of the playoffs, which would have been a hell of an achievement. This year, it hasn't worked as well, but we still did well to get out of the Trophy group section. I can only imagine the club raised prices for 2019 in an attempt to cover the losses incurred last season. But unfortunately speedway is in a spiral at the moment where rider's costs and demands are far outweighing the income clubs receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, topsoil said: You can sum Berwick up each season with one phrase "shortage of money". It doesn't matter what you set the averages to, there will always be clubs who can offer better money to the riders who give best value for their averages. Berwick cannot afford to get involved in bidding wars like this. Similar for trying to attract top end riders. Probably why Berwick have traditionally gone for a strength in depth approach. Last year it almost paid off, getting within a point of the playoffs, which would have been a hell of an achievement. This year, it hasn't worked as well, but we still did well to get out of the Trophy group section. I can only imagine the club raised prices for 2019 in an attempt to cover the losses incurred last season. But unfortunately speedway is in a spiral at the moment where rider's costs and demands are far outweighing the income clubs receive. Yes I would agree but 'certain' other clubs also have had to cut their cloth accordingly also. Edited June 22, 2019 by Robinh88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tellitasitis Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, topsoil said: You can sum Berwick up each season with one phrase "shortage of money". It doesn't matter what you set the averages to, there will always be clubs who can offer better money to the riders who give best value for their averages. Berwick cannot afford to get involved in bidding wars like this. Similar for trying to attract top end riders. Probably why Berwick have traditionally gone for a strength in depth approach. Last year it almost paid off, getting within a point of the playoffs, which would have been a hell of an achievement. This year, it hasn't worked as well, but we still did well to get out of the Trophy group section. I can only imagine the club raised prices for 2019 in an attempt to cover the losses incurred last season. But unfortunately speedway is in a spiral at the moment where rider's costs and demands are far outweighing the income clubs receive. I would say that’s exactly the reason for the price increase but you have to ask has it had a negative effect? Instead of increasing revenue it’s decreased it with less people willing to pay more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 the shape of the track does not lend itself to good racing. very fast straights and then scrub the speed off to go round a tight left hand corner. all tracks around a football pitch are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 Those that thought that Berwick would pull this round on aggregate were deluding themselves I`m afraid and so it proved, in fact as I posted beforehand Berwick would have a job on just to win on the night and so it proved as Leicester ran out worthy winners and looked what they are, the best team in the league. One or two members in the Berwick team under performing of late and that needs to turn round very soon as more home defeats are likely if that isnt addressed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Tellitasitis said: I would say that’s exactly the reason for the price increase but you have to ask has it had a negative effect? Instead of increasing revenue it’s decreased it with less people willing to pay more It's had a negative effect, but I can't see any other option they had. Sponsorship was difficult to attract, costs have been cut, even the riders took a pay reduction. You could take the radical step of reducing admission in the hope that there is a significant increase in crowds, but it is a hell of a gamble when you have already lost a lot of money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Mark said: the shape of the track does not lend itself to good racing. very fast straights and then scrub the speed off to go round a tight left hand corner. all tracks around a football pitch are the same. The problem in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tellitasitis Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, topsoil said: It's had a negative effect, but I can't see any other option they had. Sponsorship was difficult to attract, costs have been cut, even the riders took a pay reduction. You could take the radical step of reducing admission in the hope that there is a significant increase in crowds, but it is a hell of a gamble when you have already lost a lot of money. It’s a worrying situation and not just a Berwick problem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Mark said: the shape of the track does not lend itself to good racing. very fast straights and then scrub the speed off to go round a tight left hand corner. all tracks around a football pitch are the same. There was some quality racing when the likes of complin and clews raced , so your argument is mute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Tellitasitis said: It’s a worrying situation and not just a Berwick problem Sheffield for sale says it all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 39 minutes ago, topsoil said: The problem in a nutshell Just one of the problems Imo. There has been racing around Shielfield for approx 30 years and was well supported for a lot of them ,the sportitself is the main problem ,not addressing the issues that were arising when they were happening.Berwick is one of many Teams with low crowd issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 10 hours ago, emilali said: Thank god theres live speedway on every week. Thrilling action with every turn of the wheel. I enjoy it thanks for your humble opinion, zzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Robinh88 said: Even with the reduced limit again for 2019. Why consistently year after year are Berwick Speedway falling short? Like or loathe the governing bodies, they give clubs like Berwick a fantastic opportunity to be competitive every winter. Why again do we have no real top end strength? Why have the club raised admission fees significantly for 2019 yet the management still persist with certain riders who have little to no improvement in them? Nothing wrong with mediocrity but if this continues I don't forsee attendances improving at £17 a pop. Flash the cash then my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tellitasitis Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, penchev said: There was some quality racing when the likes of complin and clews raced , so your argument is mute The potential for a good racing circuit is there World Under 21 was a classic example a fantastic meeting possibly the best at Berwick? Why can’t we have the track like that all the time ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 Wasn't a great meeting virtually no passing (as I was texting to updates site didn't have to much to remember) When is Shads back!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 To be honest the shape of the track argument has been debated many times on this forum, the track size or shape is not going to change so we have get on with what we have. But it would be untrue to say we don't get good racing with the current shape but we don't get it on anything like a regular bases that must come back to track prep in the days leading up to a meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, Tellitasitis said: The potential for a good racing circuit is there World Under 21 was a classic example a fantastic meeting possibly the best at Berwick? Why can’t we have the track like that all the time ? Some fantastic riders in the field that night who could go on to become world champion in the next 10-15 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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