acef Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, thecoombdog said: All people do is slate other teams tracks these days. You lot are spoiled each week with the best track in the country where as we have had sh1te for years. So yeah last night was good in my eyes. BV may well be a high standard but is indeed the standard that each track across the uk should be set at. It's safe, fair and consistent. I'm pleased another BV fan has picked up on what my colleague did last night, I can tell him he isn't going mad now! It's not a war, this. It's about getting a level set right across the board. It concerns me that some fans are accepting what would seem a poor quality track and even attempting to pass it off as 'good'. Really, we need to raise our standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Last night was perfectly good racing. It's just Belle Vue fans showing off because they have a great track. This type of attitude is a real worry. We are not 'showing off', we just want a higher standard. I'll accept that my own view pointed has shifted since going to the NSS because you see what a good race track looks like in the flesh. My attitude if I were an opposing fan would not be one of bitterness, it would be one of acceptance and agreement in respect of trying to find ways to bring the rest of the circuits, to that level of quality in terms of prep. Waves and bumps and holes dont belong on a speedway track. Swindon may well have been better than previous weeks last night and that is great, forward steps are being made, but it's still absolutely nowhere near good enough. Edited June 18, 2019 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Rob B said: Hate to have seen what track was like previous weeks if that was really good last night. There is hump going into 1st bend and big one on inside of 3rd bend straightening riders up creating most of the passing opportunities. Happened several times to Doyle and twice to Fricke in heat 15 while trying to race with Doyle so just gave up. For BelleVue the defeat was well expected but bigger then thought, we knew Wells and Berge would be poor but Bjerre had bad night with bike problems, Lidsey started off great in heat 2 first time on track but then went backwards. I dont know what meeting you were at last night Rob but it was not the same one as me.Heat 1 Berge made a bad mistake causing Fricke out very wide and nearly causing carnage but the track i felt was very good.There were fast times some great nick tuck racing full on .Fricke was electric at times really quick ( he missed the bumps !!) Batchelor was sublime maybe you are a guy who is not easily pleased.? As for the hole ? Batchelor who superbly drilled through on the line against Bjerre must of conveniently missed it.!!! Look this track is not perfect but our fans know that the management are doing great thing's to improve it and i believe this new track size is a breath of fresh air. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, thecoombdog said: All people do is slate other teams tracks these days. You lot are spoiled each week with the best track in the country where as we have had sh1te for years. So yeah last night was good in my eyes. We had sh1te for years at the dog track mate, it served its purpose and now we have a great track, Swindon have a new track that just needs to settle as does any new track, when it does you to will have a good track that allows for proper racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, acef said: This type of attitude is a real worry. We are not 'showing off', we just want a higher standard. I'll accept that my own view pointed has shifted since going to the NSS because you see what a good race track looks like in the flesh. My attitude if I were an opposing fan would not be one of bitterness, it would be one of acceptance and agreement in respect of trying to find ways to bring the rest of the circuits, to that level of quality in terms of prep. Waves and bumps and holes dont belong on a speedway track. Swindon may well have been better than previous weeks last night and that is great, forward steps are being made, but it's still absolutely nowhere near good enough. So what about Troy's comments, never mentioned one ''hole, bump etc''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, hyabb17 said: So what about Troy's comments, never mentioned one ''hole, bump etc''. Sorry the waves etc was more a reference to poole ;-) I was being very general Look. I'm not bitter about the defeat and have no issue with Swindon. I just want to be clear about that. The track is new, had some issues at the start (it was done to quickly), and the last thing I want to see is it being let slip. There are clearly still 1 or 2 little issues and I just want Swindon to be acknowledging of it then it can be dealt with, because it's a real nice shape now and has the potential to be a superb track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: So what about Troy's comments, never mentioned one ''hole, bump etc''. I dont know what you think Hyabb but when the track has been poor ( All of the Swindon fans have admitted this) Troy has looked really tentative cautious.But when the track is decent he has gone to another level really quick riding some great racing lines looking a class act.This is the best i have seen Troy ride since the Copenhagen GP i really hope he can keep it going because we all know there is a world class rider in there. Edited June 18, 2019 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, acef said: Sorry the waves etc was more a reference to poole ;-) I was being very general Look. I'm not bitter about the defeat and have no issue with Swindon. I just want to be clear about that. The track is new, had some issues at the start (it was done to quickly), and the last thing I want to see is it being let slip. There are clearly still 1 or 2 little issues and I just want Swindon to be acknowledging of it then it can be dealt with, because it's a real nice shape now and has the potential to be a superb track. My apologies. The track staff are working to grind out all the little issues I can assure you. Edited June 18, 2019 by hyabb17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I dont know what you think Hyabb but when the track has been poor ( All of the Swindon fans have admitted this) Troy has looked really tentative cautious.But when the track is decent he has gone to another level really quick riding some great racing lines looking a class act.This is the best i have seen Troy ride since the Copenhagen GP i really hope he can keep it going because we all know there is a world class rider in there. Couldn’t agree more. He was confident in the track which allowed him to attack it at pace! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bellevueace said: We had sh1te for years at the dog track mate, it served its purpose and now we have a great track, Swindon have a new track that just needs to settle as does any new track, when it does you to will have a good track that allows for proper racing. Yeah exactly which why I'm surprised of the attitude of some of your fans on here. Belle Vue have always had a good few fans at Swindon (fair play to them!) so if any of those really think that last night was as bad as the old track has been for the last few years then I will be amazed. You will find no bigger critic of the Swindon track than me, it has put me off going in recent years. I am sure that all of the Swindon regulars on here will say they have seen more decent races in the first few meetings than the last 5 seasons put together. Yes its not perfect, I don't think BV was for a while after the new track was laid, but its getting there and the racing has improved so for us long suffering gate and go watchers its an improvement and we like it. Edited June 18, 2019 by thecoombdog 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: Just now, thecoombdog said: Yeah exactly which why I'm surprised of the attitude of some of your fans on here. Belle Vue have always had a good few fans at Swindon (fair play to them!) so if any of those really think that last night was as bad as the old track has been for the last few years then I will be amazed. You will find no bigger critic of the Swindon track than me, it has put me off going in recent years. Really wouldn't pay much attention to what acef says on here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, thecoombdog said: Yeah exactly which why I'm surprised of the attitude of some of your fans on here. Belle Vue have always had a good few fans at Swindon (fair play to them!) so if any of those really think that last night was as bad as the old track has been for the last few years then I will be amazed. You will find no bigger critic of the Swindon track than me, it has put me off going in recent years. I'm sorry but there is no attitude here. The mate I know who was down there last night is a former stock car driver, been in and around the speedway scene for years and just generally knows his onions when it comes to dirt and oval motor sports in this country. Rob as well has been going to speedway for donkeys years. Up and down the uk watching bv home and away. He is well qualified to hold an opinion and if he says the track wasnt great I'll take his word for that. Like my post above said, it's not bitterness, it's a need to find a standard across the uk that is of premium quality and some tracks are really letting that down (swindon are FAR from the worst) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, hagonshocker said: Convenient to leave out Rob, who holds a similar opinion, a seasoned speedway supporter, isn't it? I guess that doesn't fit your agenda. Do me a favour moving forward, dont engage me through the 3rd person and have the balls to do it directly Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) https://www.totalswindon.com/sport/batchelor-revels-in-swindon-success--targets-gp-return/ Batch’s comments which back up what we witnessed last night. Edited June 18, 2019 by hyabb17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: https://www.totalswindon.com/sport/batchelor-revels-in-swindon-success--targets-gp-return/ Batch’s comments which back up what we witnessed last night. Think it's best to leave it here now. Some people believe the track still has teething issues and others dont. We will never agree. Good luck for the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, acef said: Think it's best to leave it here now. Some people believe the track still has teething issues and others dont. We will never agree. Good luck for the season That's a rider perspective who was out on the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 Doesnt matter weather track was great or track was poor. Because of expectations that was our worst result of the year. Last nights result was not good enough. Well done Swindon. Good win for u guys 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 It must be very entertaining standing near Belle Vue fans when your team is riding against them. I can just imagine the conversation. "Oooh, this track is rubbish. It's nowhere near as good as Belle Vue." "Quite right. Belle Vue is the best track in the World. This track is rubbish. Look. He hit a bump. I'm going to mark it in my programme." Marks it in programme. "He'd never have hit a bump at Belle Vue. Belle Vue is the best track EVER." Max Fricke then breaks the track record. "Wow. If that's a track record, Lord knows what it's like when it's NOT a track record. It must be terrible." "Must be. It's such a terrible track. Not like Belle Vue." Slight pause. Then, both at the same time: "Belle Vue is the best track EVER." Give us an A - "A"..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 36 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Doesnt matter weather track was great or track was poor. Because of expectations that was our worst result of the year. Last nights result was not good enough. Well done Swindon. Good win for u guys How good has Fricke been Phil this year? i have followed his scores and last night he looks to me like he is heading into prime years as a rider really quick i just hope he can crack the GP scene love watching him ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: How good has Fricke been Phil this year? i have followed his scores and last night he looks to me like he is heading into prime years as a rider really quick i just hope he can crack the GP scene love watching him ride. He reminds me so much of Leigh Adams in his riding style, biggest compliment I can pay him!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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