Grachan Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 On 7/6/2019 at 1:18 PM, Fortythirtyeight said: The knock on effect of one league means no doubling up riders therefore top riders will be more in demand and want bigger wages. There will be a huge bun fight for riders and the poorer clubs can not compete. Put the likes of Newcastle or Redcar up against the finances of Poole , Kings Lynn or Glasgow in competing for riders and it just doesn't work. It didn't in 96 when it was one league , one club couldn't even get seven riders! In 96 it was set at EL standard. If the league was set at CL standard then the teams would be the strength of CL teams, so the same as now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Grachan said: In 96 it was set at EL standard. If the league was set at CL standard then the teams would be the strength of CL teams, so the same as now. You actually think there's a major difference between the Premiership and Championship now? Other than about a dozen riders it's virtually the same. If you check out the averages for both divisions most Championship riders averages are the same in both divisions and sometimes higher in the premiership. That tells its own story on standards. if they go one division then it will surely have to be set between championship and national league standard to reduce the costs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: You actually think there's a major difference between the Premiership and Championship now? Other than about a dozen riders it's virtually the same. If you check out the averages for both divisions most Championship riders averages are the same in both divisions and sometimes higher in the premiership. That tells its own story on standards. if they go one division then it will surely have to be set between championship and national league standard to reduce the costs ? The difference now is that it is the PL Clubs who are making the "one league noises" as they cannot afford inflated points money and guarantees on reduced crowds. That's what Matt Ford originally implied in his article, admitting he lost £20,000 on a "recent meeting" and saying that his Crowds in PL at that time were lower than Eastbourne in CL. That was in early May so crowds may have changed at both venues?, but says ti me if ford is losing £20k that PL rates need to come down to more like CL level and that some riders will have to take a pay cut and those doubling up on top PL and CL money will hope to have more matches in one "Big league" team than in 2 teams one in PL and one in CL. Another poster on here different thread did an excellent study that there were just enough riders in PL/CL to staff 14 teams (7 man teams) or 16 teams (6 man teams).....that'll be the issue - rider availability... How many of the CL Teams can take the plunge and join 1 League??? and what happens if they don't do they go NDL or Close??.. Of those in CL now I would guess Glasgow; Sheffield (if new Owners); Leicester; Somerset would be certain to want to move up. I would guess Edinburgh; Newcastle, Scunthorpe, Birmingham and Eastbourne may want to move up but would be taking a big risk. Berwick and Redcar would struggle I would think to compete on current crowd levels and of the middle 6 probably only Scunthorpe would ultimately take the plunge. So that would be 7 + 5 a League of 12. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Fair assessment. As for who will run where , if crowds are a determining factor, I believe Sheffield are really struggling and are up for sale, crowds at Berwick, Edinburgh and Newcastle are not as large as I've seen at Redcar this season having visited all of these tracks a number of times this season. However three of these clubs have previously rejected the idea of joining one big division . Mr.Godfrey put a stop to the idea previously so think he showed his hand there. I think 14 teams might be the maximum attracted to the one division concept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 well you're guessing there a bit: you don't really know the circumstances at, say, Redcar, who rent from the council and keep the catering receipts unlike others who have private landlords and don't get the catering money. The level of a single division HAS repeat HAS to be achieveable for the "smaller" clubs. I'm certain thet evenly matched teams with continuity and fixture variety is an improvement and will prove popular if costs are controlled 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 I believe there will be a regional league/division structure before the sport goes to one league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I believe there will be a regional league/division structure before the sport goes to one league. Maybe one league using something similar to the US sporting model...? ie. Play your regional rivals more than you play your national rivals.. Then, in the case of speedway, come play off time each region (presuming there's four), sends its no1 team to them...? Edited July 8, 2019 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I believe there will be a regional league/division structure before the sport goes to one league. I doubt that is even feasible. What would be the point of a 5 team division especially when the majority of riders in northern based teams are based in the midlands or further south? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, mikebv said: Maybe one league using something similar to the US sporting model...? ie. Play your regional rivals more than you play your national rivals.. Then, in the case of speedway, come play off time each region (presuming there's four), sends its no1 team to them...? The regular baseball season is 162 games. I would love to see how that would work in British speedway! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I believe there will be a regional league/division structure before the sport goes to one league. That will lead to repetitive fixtures, when one attraction of one "big" league would be the variety of opponents through the season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, ch958 said: well you're guessing there a bit: you don't really know the circumstances at, say, Redcar, who rent from the council and keep the catering receipts unlike others who have private landlords and don't get the catering money. The level of a single division HAS repeat HAS to be achieveable for the "smaller" clubs. I'm certain thet evenly matched teams with continuity and fixture variety is an improvement and will prove popular if costs are controlled As I said I elsewhere, there has to be some form of rider control 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Midland Red said: That will lead to repetitive fixtures, when one attraction of one "big" league would be the variety of opponents through the season Exactly. It would be okay if there were enough teams to provide some variety, but there aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, chunky said: The regular baseball season is 162 games. I would love to see how that would work in British speedway! Steve It would give the riders plenty of guest bookings... And if you double up you could ride almost all year.. Just have Xmas day off..... Edited July 8, 2019 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 To make the regional league system work if 14 teams were racing you could have two 7 team divisions (North and South). Teams could race teams in their own division home and away twice and those in the other division home and away once. That would give 18 home/18 away meetings. The top three in each division could then go forward to the league finals meeting each of the other five teams home and away before the top two teams meet in the League Finals. The points from all meetings up to that point would be added together to decide the top two meaning being top of your division would be worthwhile. The 8 teams who were not in the finals could be split into two groups of four (3 meetings at home and 3 away) with the top from each group meeting for the National Trophy. All this gives a full fixture list of meetings that all mean something with no need for any filler competitions and a mixture of local derbies plus the interest of having teams from afar visiting. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) To be honest we are going on about the best riders giving "One league" a miss but the truth is we don't really have the "best" riders here anymore to begin with. I really don't mean any disrespect to the star names we already have here but they are no where near to the high standards (maybe a couple of exceptions) we were used to watching on the terraces in the 80's and 90's. Maybe a few of the modern star names are charging top dollar for their services? You can't fault them for doing so if promoters are daft enough to pay what they are asking but does the standard of racing reflect that? I Know people will come back and say "No - we saw good racing last night" but come on lets face it, it's probably once in a blue moon you actually see a decent meeting these days. I could be wrong of cause, but the last few meetings I have seen on BT sports including the GP's I have turned the channel over after a few heats. That said, I also recently watched a Swedish league meeting on the Free Sports channel and that bored the hell out of me so maybe the standards have dropped in other countries? It all comes back again to asking does the punter get value for their money? In my opinion NO. British Speedway needs to re-invent itself fast. Let it be run by the organ grinder not the monkey. Edited July 10, 2019 by kelvinlapworth 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Chris116 said: To make the regional league system work if 14 teams were racing you could have two 7 team divisions (North and South). Teams could race teams in their own division home and away twice and those in the other division home and away once. That would give 18 home/18 away meetings. The top three in each division could then go forward to the league finals meeting each of the other five teams home and away before the top two teams meet in the League Finals. The points from all meetings up to that point would be added together to decide the top two meaning being top of your division would be worthwhile. The 8 teams who were not in the finals could be split into two groups of four (3 meetings at home and 3 away) with the top from each group meeting for the National Trophy. All this gives a full fixture list of meetings that all mean something with no need for any filler competitions and a mixture of local derbies plus the interest of having teams from afar visiting. send that in to BSPA recorded delivery and lock the doors til they agree it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, HGould said: send that in to BSPA recorded delivery and lock the doors til they agree it. I would love to but fear they could starve to death if we locked the doors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Chris116 said: I would love to but fear they could starve to death if we locked the doors. And I thought you were going to raise a downside...... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: And I thought you were going to raise a downside...... I always try to remain positive! Currently I am positive the BSPA are not very good at their job. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 8:21 PM, chunky said: The regular baseball season is 162 games. I would love to see how that would work in British speedway! Steve More likely the regular NFL Season which is 16 games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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