foreverblue Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Gavan said: Will it be dusty or bumpy or both lol It may be although they are apparently going to work on it while there is a gap in home meetings. One thing is for sure it will be more entertaining than Foxhall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 When you say entertaining,,,, I think you mean dangerous... Let's hope they sort the table top jumps and whoops out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Harris would have scored double figures if Fricke hadn't trashed his bike. Harris had the option of throttling off, he didn't and the correct decision was made. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Harris would have scored double figures if Fricke hadn't trashed his bike. He scored 1 point in the rerun. Granted it was his 2nd bike, but I’m sure he would been set up for the track. Without the collision Fricke would have passed him anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, hyderd said: Harris had the option of throttling off, he didn't and the correct decision was made. It was just a racing incident. It was the correct choice but that type of crash is always open to debate for me because max was in front. Imo it’s down to the rider behind to make a decision given that he can see what is happening. Chris is a great racer, but he was foolish to stay on the gas. Max had to go because thems the rules but personally I don’t think he did a lot wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, racers and royals said: I`m sure everyone watching on BT sport enjoyed that, and they better make the most of it as the next TV match in a fortnight`s time is from Poole !!!!!!! If it’s as good as last weeks meeting at Wimborne Road, fans will be in for a treat.some great racing last week in the Peterborough meeting. 49 minutes ago, foreverblue said: It may be although they are apparently going to work on it while there is a gap in home meetings. One thing is for sure it will be more entertaining than Foxhall. No doubt about that! Couldn’t believe just how dull the racing at Foxhall was. The Gdańsk or Pila of the Premiership. Wimborne Road has had its problems this year, especially in the lunchtime meetings, but the track still produces excellent racing at times. Shame I will miss the next two home meetings as I am taking a holiday to the French Alps. At least I should be able to catch up on the tv meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, Baldyman said: When you say entertaining,,,, I think you mean dangerous... Let's hope they sort the table top jumps and whoops out. If it was dangerous riders would refuse to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, acef said: It was just a racing incident. It was the correct choice but that type of crash is always open to debate for me because max was in front. Imo it’s down to the rider behind to make a decision given that he can see what is happening. Chris is a great racer, but he was foolish to stay on the gas. Max had to go because thems the rules but personally I don’t think he did a lot wrong. He didn't give him any room to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, foreverblue said: He didn't give him any room to race. Where in the rule book does it say he has to? It’s good sportsmanship, yes, but it’s not a ruling. The rider in front can put the bike wherever he chooses and max chose to run up to the boards as he made the pass. On paper he was the primary cause of stoppage so had to go, but Chris was equally to blame for staying on the taps after he’d been passed. He should have throttled off and cut back in as max was clearly chasing the high line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 So if your half a bike length up you can basically just shove the other rider into the fence because ' you are in front' Max Fricke is by no means a dirty rider but that move wasnt good .....the commentary team pretty much said the same He was half a bike length up and left Harris no room at all. Its not up to Harris to throttle off if he is only half a bike length down, he should have been able to ride up to the next corner in that straight line. I also cant understand how the race wasnt awarded either Could have cost us a point maybe Its all well and good saying that Bewley had a poor night and so did Wells , but on the plus side Worrall rode and scored really well. Also Ipswich reserves had a poor meeting to. Its all if buts and maybes. All i know is that if we can keep this up then i dont fear anyone over 2 legs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpecialOne Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, acef said: Where in the rule book does it say he has to? It’s good sportsmanship, yes, but it’s not a ruling. The rider in front can put the bike wherever he chooses and max chose to run up to the boards as he made the pass. On paper he was the primary cause of stoppage so had to go, but Chris was equally to blame for staying on the taps after he’d been passed. He should have throttled off and cut back in as max was clearly chasing the high line. Good to see the world of make believe is alive and kicking in Manchester. Your assertion of the 'rider in front' rule, which i don't think even is a rule, can not be applied when said rider is only half a bike length in front. If he is a bike length in front and runs up to the boards then fine he's closing a gap. Running to the boards when only half a bike length in front is no different to riding into the side of another rider. If Harris was equally to blame Fricke wouldn't have been the reason for the the stoppage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 There is no one more blinkered than a speedway fan. Or are they just all old and half blind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Take a look at the Ipswich vs Belle Vue match on the Bspa website. Fricke tried a simliar move on Heeps so has previous of doing such a move! As for "racing room" Freddie Lindgren has said there is no such thing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TheSpecialOne said: Good to see the world of make believe is alive and kicking in Manchester. Your assertion of the 'rider in front' rule, which i don't think even is a rule, can not be applied when said rider is only half a bike length in front. If he is a bike length in front and runs up to the boards then fine he's closing a gap. Running to the boards when only half a bike length in front is no different to riding into the side of another rider. If Harris was equally to blame Fricke wouldn't have been the reason for the the stoppage. He was making the pass. Look, 99.9% of riders get off the tap there, for whatever reason Bomber decided to carry on. Personally I think that was a silly choice. You see that type of move every Sunday in Poland. They just crack right on with it. In terms of ‘rider in front rule’, do me a favour, and don’t put words in my mouth. Edited June 4, 2019 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just one of those situation where neither rider gave an inch and came together at the same split second. No malice or dirtiness for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Max hadn't made a pass,,,,,, or is half a pass now a pass,,,, who cares anyway,, all done and duatad and no one was hurr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpecialOne Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Max hadn't made a pass,,,,,, or is half a pass now a pass,,,, who cares anyway,, all done and duatad and no one was hurr Now, now don't be putting words in his mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think bomber kept it on in the knowledge that Max is ordinarily a hard but fair rider - had it been pedersen, Lindgren he’d have got off the gas knowing they’re likely to smash him in the fence if he didn’t. Imo it was over the top and I would be saying the same if it was the other way round and an ipswich rider had made that move. I don’t think there was malice in the move, and I’m sure max would much preferred to have finished the race than cause a crash and get excluded, he wasn’t in front he was alongside by at most half a length in front and chose to run that close to the fence - he didn’t have to he chose to which caused the crash - he came across bomber and ran him into the fence - bomber was already there his line didn’t deviate so Max was correctly excluded for being the cause of the incident. people saying oh well they do it in Poland and just get on with it is no excuse to me, have you seen some of the crashes in polish league lately?? Namely the Emil and buszckowski crash at the weekend? Absolutely frightening and completely avoidable. heeps had a superb race with Rory Schlein at Foxhall a few weeks ago getting the better of him finally with a last gasp burn round the outside - when asked about the race afterwards he said “it’s great fun racing closely and hard with someone like Rory as you know it’s going to be hard but fair, you can trust him he’s not gonna try and kill ya!” Surely that’s the sentiment we’d like riders adopt not just “oh I’m half bikes length in front on the back straight get off the throttle or I’m gonna ride through your front wheel into the fence!” theres a lot of Belle Vue fans leaping to the defense of Fricke in this incident but had it been an away rider doing that to a home rider I feel confident you’d be up in arms calling him a dangerous and dirty rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, acef said: Where in the rule book does it say he has to? It’s good sportsmanship, yes, but it’s not a ruling. The rider in front can put the bike wherever he chooses and max chose to run up to the boards as he made the pass. On paper he was the primary cause of stoppage so had to go, but Chris was equally to blame for staying on the taps after he’d been passed. He should have throttled off and cut back in as max was clearly chasing the high line. Fricke hadn’t passed Harris though. Passing is when Fricke back wheel is in front of Harris front wheel. But Fricke’s footrest (middle of his bike) went through the spokes of Harris front wheel. Fricke basically hoped Harris would back off but he didn’t. Fricke to blame and rightly excluded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.