Slovenian GP 01/06

[adonis]

10 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

WHERE would the money come from?

No idea about financing TBH , you have to speculate to accumulate though , IMHO   BSI  have made more than enough and largely crippled league speedway in the process ,so maybe time to dig deep and invest some of it back in ,

[orion]

4 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

And he showed in 1983 on the day even in his own back yard that he could deal with pressure and win a World Final.For many rider's now that opportunity will never be there and as others have pointed out there are six/eight riders who will never win a series .None of us are saying the series is in a bad way it could be in danger of going stale and needs freshening up.Also is Muller qualifying for all those world finals all those years ago any different to some of these mediocre Countries we have in Football World cup's and average sides in European Now.?

Not sure what other sports have to do with it . The bottom line is Muller only made World Finals due to  a  stupid and unfair system .

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, orion said:

Not sure what other sports have to do with it . The bottom line is Muller only made World Finals due to  a  stupid and unfair system .

So are you telling me that Muller was not a world class speedway rider? when asked Mauger, Briggs,Collins( ect)  they all say different were they all wrong.?

[OveFundinFan]

Muller definitely was a world class speedway rider, and with a very professional approach. Obviously more top class in the world of long track, but defo no slouch at speedway. Obviously he grabbed an opportunity when the world speedway final was in Germany, rose to the occasion and having a partisan crowd he pulled off what many an aspiring speedway rider has failed to do.  Got to give respect where its due.

[waiheke1]

yeah in fairness Muller was the only of the continental riders in that era who was genuinely in the top 20 riders in the world. Look at the riders he finished ahead of in 81 at Wembley. 

Would never have got close to being world champ under a gp system though. 

[orion]

3 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

So are you telling me that Muller was not a world class speedway rider? when asked Mauger, Briggs,Collins( ect)  they all say different were they all wrong.?

I am saying he would not have made it in a fair system ..the point  is not really about Muller but more about old speedway fans  moaning about the GP'S system when the old system was one of the worst and unfair you could have .

[SPEEDY69]

2 hours ago, waiheke1 said:

yeah in fairness Muller was the only of the continental riders in that era who was genuinely in the top 20 riders in the world. Look at the riders he finished ahead of in 81 at Wembley. 

Would never have got close to being world champ under a gp system though. 

With two/three rounds in Germany and others on big tracks who knows? 

[Sidney the robin]

3 hours ago, orion said:

I am saying he would not have made it in a fair system ..the point  is not really about Muller but more about old speedway fans  moaning about the GP'S system when the old system was one of the worst and unfair you could have .

Nobody has moaned about the GP series just saying it might need freshening up a bit.I would also say the old system was not the best but at least more riders had a shot at trying to fulfill there dreams that is not the case now.And what annoys me is that league racing certainly in the U.K was aloud to take the brunt of the series and over the years have not been compensated in monetary terms.

[Sings4Speedway]

Did anybody travel out to this one? What is the best suggested routes fly to Zagreb then hire a car? How are the border crossings etc

[racers and royals]

3 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Did anybody travel out to this one? What is the best suggested routes fly to Zagreb then hire a car? How are the border crossings etc

Been several times - lovely country

Ljubljana is the best to fly to - i have also flown to Trieste, which is very near the Slovenian border. If driving on the motorway in Slovenia you have to buy a Vignette(toll card) for the duration of the stay.

best place to stay by far is https://www.terme-catez.si/en/catez/accommodations/hotel-terme    which is around 10 miles from the track.

If you can spare a few days in Slovenia Lake Bled is a must place to visit along with https://www.postojnska-jama.eu/en/   the caves are wonderful.

[AlexBrady]

11 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Did anybody travel out to this one? What is the best suggested routes fly to Zagreb then hire a car? How are the border crossings etc

Went to this with a couple of friends. We flew in Ljubljana mid afternoon Friday from Stansted and stayed there for the duration.

We caught the train to Krsko at 12:50, one change with a small wait and we arrived at the track after a 15/20 minute walk from the station around 2:35. Some beautiful scenary on the train if that’s your thing and easy to understand.

Taxi back to Ljubljana after racing was slightly more difficult, but doable and safe enough - I’ll definitely revisit. 

[BFMDan]

Here's an open-ended question for any of you regular speedway travelers . . .

For a somewhat naive American couple . . . what's the best Speedway GP venue to visit on a 'first time trip'? We're thinking European mainland (as opposed to the U.K.).

You're all going to laugh and roll your eyes at me; because, unfortunately, we don't speak any European languages. LOL. We just love Speedway GPs and want to experience one in person.

 

Dan

[PHILIPRISING]

30 minutes ago, BFMDan said:

Here's an open-ended question for any of you regular speedway travelers . . .

For a somewhat naive American couple . . . what's the best Speedway GP venue to visit on a 'first time trip'? We're thinking European mainland (as opposed to the U.K.).

You're all going to laugh and roll your eyes at me; because, unfortunately, we don't speak any European languages. LOL. We just love Speedway GPs and want to experience one in person.

 

Dan

TORUN would probably be top of most people's list

[racers and royals]

53 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said:

TORUN would probably be top of most people's list

Or Wroclaw 2020 or Warsaw 2020

Edited June 4, 2019 by racers and royals

[Col]

The problem with Torun if it remains the final GP is that the championship is often decided by the time it comes around.  If the 2020 calendar remains the similar to this years then had I not visited before, Wroclaw would top my list.  While I will likely contradict this myself by going to Prague in 2020, I'd certainly choose a Polish hosted GP.  In comparison to living in the US Scandinavia is expensive (unless you're from New York).

Fear not.  I can't speak anything but English, never had a problem communicating with the locals anywhere in Europe (except Paris).

Edited June 5, 2019 by Col

[Fromafar]

Tai having a little moan about lack of practice for this meeting,did Zmarslik not miss practice too.They knew the rules before season started so should have told their clubs where to go but money rules even for aWorld Champion.Poles have the sport by the “short and curlies”.

[Mark]

5 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Tai having a little moan about lack of practice for this meeting,did Zmarslik not miss practice too.They knew the rules before season started so should have told their clubs where to go but money rules even for aWorld Champion.Poles have the sport by the “short and curlies”.

those who lose will have a little moan.    who cares as the riders are earning big money to ride on Friday and it may even out.     Should a Polish rider have a chance of being Champion with 2 or 3 GP's remaining I wonder what fixtures are set for Friday night. 

Edited June 6, 2019 by Mark

[OveFundinFan]

5 hours ago, Mark said:

those who lose will have a little moan.    who cares as the riders are earning big money to ride on Friday and it may even out.     Should a Polish rider have a chance of being Champion with 2 or 3 GP's remaining I wonder what fixtures are set for Friday night. 

I was told on this thread last Saturday afternoon by CB252 that any Pole would rather see their team win their league championship then a Pole winning the world championship.  So irrespective if with 2or3 GP’s to go Poles are 1,2,3 it should not affect Friday night fixtures.

[fatface]

On 6/3/2019 at 1:07 PM, waiheke1 said:

yeah in fairness Muller was the only of the continental riders in that era who was genuinely in the top 20 riders in the world. Look at the riders he finished ahead of in 81 at Wembley. 

Would never have got close to being world champ under a gp system though. 

This may sound daft, but I think he was actually past his best when he won it. Certainly in the mid-to late 70s, he would have a strong case for being in the world's elite. After that, I think he was on the fringes at best. There is scant evidence from World Speedway in or around that time, except for the Norden World Final which you can hold up as evidence that he was one of the very best.

It was just that everything was geared up for a Muller win for that final - his superior GM machinery, access to practice on the circuit, input into track preparation. He was also effectively seeded through with a place reserved for the leading German from the much easier continental rounds. Aside from those who battled through from the tougher (intercontinental) half, I'd have the Moran bros, Knudsen, Crump, Andersson, Schwartz, PC all above him at that time.  

In short, the 83 championship is probably the poorest example to choose if you were still advocating the one off World Final as the best model. For me, a backwater venue, a daytime lack of occasion feel, a tailored track and a result that didn't accurately reflect the very best in the sport, that was the beginning of the end of the World Final right there. Certainly 20 or even 10 years earlier places like Bradford, Pocking, Vojens and Amsterdam were unimaginable as World Final venues, but after Norden, the bar had been forever lowered.

Edited June 11, 2019 by falcace

[fatface]

On 6/2/2019 at 9:17 AM, Bagpuss said:

there are too many riders knocking around who have been in and out for years but will never win it ie Lindback, Iversen, Kolodziej, Zagar, Sayfutdinov etc and it’s all a bit samey. 

All of those are capable of winning a GP. Had he not perked up in recent years, people would have had Lindgren in the same bracket. Ditto Andreas Jonsson before he had a stormer of a year and finished second. Did you also find it a bit samey when riders like Phil Crump, Shawn Moran, Soren Sjosten, Chris Morton, Kai Niemi, Jan Andersson make lots of world finals and not win any?

That's sport, not everyone can win, but you need those contenders to fully appreciate the winners. A few years ago, all those sprinters had no chance against Usain Bolt, but seeing the best of the rest trailing in his wake is what made the spectacle.