Col Posted June 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Got home from Twickenham just in time to keep an eye on the last 5 heats while watching the Champions League final. The Woffinden/Zmarzlik encounter in the heats looked like a decent race, I was more intent on keeping a Beagle snout out of my Chinese. The rest of what I saw didn't seem great but glad Lambert made a semi again, good experience & for his confidence at the top tier. It will be available OD in morning, with watching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Just got in from watching Champions League Final & checked updates site. As no one has posted this, how come Tai was in a semi final yet Kolodziej wasn't? Both on 7 points, Kolodziej had a win, Tai didn't! Checked again to find Tai had 9 points(4x2, 1x1) from his heats(updater error) so has 9 + 1. Even the GP site has him on 6 rides & 9 points. Please excuse the alcohol content. Edited June 1, 2019 by IronScorpion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenit Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Just got in from watching Champions League Final & checked updates site. As no one has posted this, how come Tai was in a semi final yet Kolodziej wasn't? Both on 7 points, Kolodziej had a win, Tai didn't! Tai had 8 points, Kolodziej 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 So an error on the updates & GP site correct with 9(8 in heats + 1 in semi) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 Poor track really, hog the inside line and you win. Amazing how tracks like this get a GP but Belle Vue doesn't get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Perton Wolf said: Poor track really, hog the inside line and you win. Amazing how tracks like this get a GP but Belle Vue doesn't get one. Belle Vue won’t get a gp Until Cardiff sells out. Which would be never. Edited June 1, 2019 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 Gate and Go ( as ever at this GP ). Only the Very Bravest of the Brave could get by. Salute the victor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 10 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: NOTHING wrong with the track when Zmarzlik and Woffinden were passing and re-passing which begs the question: if they could do it, why couldn't others? Do we too often blame the track when, in fact, it is the riders not making the best use of it? Well that was probably the most entertaining race of the night Philip, but when the Worlds best riders on the best bikes struggle to make any sort of pass for race after race, then I rate that as a very poor spectacle. Couple that with the farce that took place on the Friday when only 10 of the 16 riders took part and a referee who needs a new pair of glasses, then what you have left certainly didn't entertain me. I think most on this forum would agree that this GP was one to forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 8 hours ago, Perton Wolf said: Poor track really, hog the inside line and you win. Amazing how tracks like this get a GP but Belle Vue doesn't get one. 15 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Gate and Go ( as ever at this GP ). Only the Very Bravest of the Brave could get by. Salute the victor! AS stated earlier, why always blame the track?. It certainly wasn't dangerous and riders like Zmarzlik proved many times that passing was possible. Perhaps other riders simply lacked his ability. Been there many times and am no fan of the venue (in speedway terms, lovely country) but all current GP riders are quite capable of winning races and/or not being passed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bunce said: Well that was probably the most entertaining race of the night Philip, but when the Worlds best riders on the best bikes struggle to make any sort of pass for race after race, then I rate that as a very poor spectacle. Couple that with the farce that took place on the Friday when only 10 of the 16 riders took part and a referee who needs a new pair of glasses, then what you have left certainly didn't entertain me. I think most on this forum would agree that this GP was one to forget. LET'S not forget that in years gone by many riders skipped practice. I have had several private conversations with Armando Castagna regarding Poland staging TV meetings on a Friday and he is strongly opposed to it. But the FIM, like most big corporations (which is what these international sporting governing bodies are these days) are frightened of lengthy, expensive legal disputes and there are lawyers in Geneva who are wary that trying to block these Polish meetings could come back to haunt them. BSI along with the FIM have introduced transponders and time trials in an attempt to make practice more attractive and meaningful for the public and riders. Personally, I don't find any entertainment in watching a single rider do four laps against the clock. And does it actually make any difference on race night? Zagar was fastest in Warsaw and came last in his opening heat and had a poor night. Lagutra was fastest in Krsko and did not win a race. Speedway isn't about the fastest, it is who gets to the chequered flag first. Edited June 2, 2019 by PHILIPRISING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 poor meeting inconsistent referee the final race was ruined by Ackroyd . belle vue or Peterborough could run a grand prix no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 Zmarzlik took the bull by the horns and went for it, some others to a lesser extent. The gaters, Laguta, Madsen, and Dudek, dont seem to want to race. You can see them holding back when they behind and they catch someone else by the end of the straight., Laguta and Madsen more so then Dudek. Lambert started off ok, but he going to have to learn to change lines as a meeting progresses, like others do. Certainly his bikes are not fast enough, last meet in Warsaw he was line hugging and a queue behind him, last night when behind he just lacked speed to make up much ground. Nice to see Emil not only mixing it but scoring, not back to how he was pre his GP "retirement", but getting better. Hope Prague will bring better racing, but its not a cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 So the Poles have more clout than the FIM? That's a worry. It puzzles me then why this new qualifying system was brought in when it must have been obvious that some riders would not be able to take part, and therefore be at a disadvantage. I believe in the past practice was optional, but this new system really hasn't been thought out and once again makes our sport look silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 8 hours ago, Perton Wolf said: Poor track really, hog the inside line and you win. Amazing how tracks like this get a GP but Belle Vue doesn't get one. Belle Vue is a decent track but can also be "one line" e.g nearest fence and too determined by guy with fastest bike Simple fact Belle Vue was built with a lack of vision that will stop it being a GP Track. They needed to have built it with scope to hold 20-25,000 in comfort and it will never be able to do that without further massive investment. It is an economic folly as it is now, new investment never likely. Cardiff is ideal and other than Birmingham Commonwealth Games venue (which is an existing Athletics venue being upgraded) nothing else in the UK remotely available or affordable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackrat Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 Coventry was a great GP venue, hope it returns soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 47 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Zmarzlik took the bull by the horns and went for it, some others to a lesser extent. The gaters, Laguta, Madsen, and Dudek, dont seem to want to race. You can see them holding back when they behind and they catch someone else by the end of the straight., Laguta and Madsen more so then Dudek. Lambert started off ok, but he going to have to learn to change lines as a meeting progresses, like others do. Certainly his bikes are not fast enough, last meet in Warsaw he was line hugging and a queue behind him, last night when behind he just lacked speed to make up much ground. Nice to see Emil not only mixing it but scoring, not back to how he was pre his GP "retirement", but getting better. Hope Prague will bring better racing, but its not a cert. Lambert had as much speed as anyone else when in front and looked no worse than anyone other than the winner when behind. Not sure why you are singling him out. Changing lines for most last night resulted in losing ground, and don’t forget he was out after every track grade and watering. Two semis out of two is pretty decent going for him, all he lacks really is the experience and a bit of nous at times round the first two bends. For me parts of the GP series are a bit tired and need freshening up, Krsko and Prague are of little interest due to the racing and there are too many riders knocking around who have been in and out for years but will never win it ie Lindback, Iversen, Kolodziej, Zagar, Sayfutdinov etc and it’s all a bit samey. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 Disgraceful refereeing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said: Zmarzlik took the bull by the horns and went for it, some others to a lesser extent. The gaters, Laguta, Madsen, and Dudek, dont seem to want to race. You can see them holding back when they behind and they catch someone else by the end of the straight., Laguta and Madsen more so then Dudek. Lambert started off ok, but he going to have to learn to change lines as a meeting progresses, like others do. Certainly his bikes are not fast enough, last meet in Warsaw he was line hugging and a queue behind him, last night when behind he just lacked speed to make up much ground. Nice to see Emil not only mixing it but scoring, not back to how he was pre his GP "retirement", but getting better. Hope Prague will bring better racing, but its not a cert. Prague and Lonigo are usually rubbish . I think Lambert is doing ok ,certainly a lot better than some expected . good to see him in the semis again . and even better for me , good to see Doyle not .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, adonis said: Prague and Lonigo are usually rubbish . I think Lambert is doing ok ,certainly a lot better than some expected . good to see him in the semis again . and even better for me , good to see Doyle not .. PRAGUE has improved drastically since the younger Ondrasik took charge. But, to repeat myself yet again, you cannot always blame the actual track for a lack of passing. Lonigo, thankfully, is but a distant memory but had some great times staying by Lake Garda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 Sir Shoutalot at his very loudest last night His screaming every time there's an exciting race is getting more and more childlike by each meeting Is there not a decent professional commentator available for UK TV coverage? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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