iris123 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: If Taylor feels isolated by this group of photographers then yeah it can be regarded as bullying. Tbh at school any sort of name calling is regarded as bullying. I think the 'adults' involved need to remember how old they are and start acting like it! Isn’t it though ok to call a teacher or a workmate names in a ‘private group’ ? I thought there have been a few cases that have come to the conclusion you could be in trouble if it is on an open site but not in a private group? Not that it is anything other than immature to do so, mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: If Taylor feels isolated by this group of photographers then yeah it can be regarded as bullying. Tbh at school any sort of name calling is regarded as bullying. I think the 'adults' involved need to remember how old they are and start acting like it! We better hope the speedway referees don't start calling us all bullies all the abuse they get on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 I have only skim read this thread but I'm wondering if this would have all blown up if the lad's name was Taylor Bloggs. From what I've read it seems that some think he has gained an advantage from his connections (no idea if this right or not) and it's escalated from there. For what it's worth from what I've seen the young lad takes decent photos. IMHO it's bullying if the subject of the comments can see them or is told about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Not sure the best idea is to have it out on a public forum or even social media for that matter. It has nowt to do with us. In the meantime I'm grabbing my popcorn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 hours ago, snapper said: Sorry Bob You did not point me in the direction of the post naming me could you please as I am sure my legal advisors would like to see it The hash tag is not directed to Taylor in any way it stood for All My Own Work my work not his so I am not sure how it "puts the laddie down" I think your name was in a post i made referencing the hashtag on twitter thing rather than the bullying but maybe it was mentioned by someone else.. i assume it's somewhere on the early pages of this thread. The exif data thing you refer to is quite valid as i'm familiar with it - tho a bit sad that anyone should be checking out such intricate detail unless they were actually looking to cause an issue no ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Taylor takes great pictures so I have to ask why did the Lannings put work out under his name that wasn’t his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: Not sure the best idea is to have it out on a public forum or even social media for that matter. It has nowt to do with us. In the meantime I'm grabbing my popcorn Well the post on Twitter will always get more attention when a rider RT's it! Sounds like Phil thought sorting it out in private wasn't working so decided to see if making it public would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Well the post on Twitter will always get more attention when a rider RT's it! Sounds like Phil thought sorting it out in private wasn't working so decided to see if making it public would help. Maybe there was no intention of ‘sorting it out in private’ and a different agenda lies behind it all Not answering phone calls, doesn’t sound like an intention to sort things out in private to me Edited May 25, 2019 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Speedway is a very small pond. Making enemies at such a young age may not be the best route. I wonder if this has backfired and should have been kept private 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Endeavour Posted May 26, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 8:05 AM, Trees said: I think whoever is doing the BSPA media is to blame in all this for using Taylor's photos ALL of the time. Yes, new kid on the block, lovely, good boy etc, but why is ALL his stuff being used, has he got monopoly or is it a case of who you know not what you know lol Very very talented but His name has obviously opened a few doors or does every track let teenagers onto the track who wish to learn and become a photographer. The photographers at Edinburgh and Glasgow and other tracks have served our sport well for years for NO financial gain and they have won awards in the past. This scenario should have never made its way onto a public forum. Father Lanning has used his profile to put his side of this sorry tale over and decent guys throughout the UK have not the same platform to respond. Sort it out behind closed doors. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 This is not a new issue. I know of 3 photographers at various tracks who were subject to the same treatment by ‘old guard’ and things were made difficult for them. One had even introduced a new media contact that helped a club with publicity and was still treated badly by ‘old guard’. Two have gone on to be pretty successful photographers away from speedway. This was maybe 7-10 years ago. As others have also alluded to, there is currently a young lady at Berwick who has received similar problems at some tracks. She too deserves better. Maybe this being raised now could help the likes of Taylor, ‘Berwick girl (not up to me to name her) and any other youngsters start and develop (scuse the bad pun) in photographing the sport. It could do damage if not quickly tackled head on though. I am aware of 3 names of the ‘accused’ and one in particular I find hard to believe as I always found him a good guy. It needs sorted out for both sides and its past the ‘banging their heads together’ stage. I also think it has come too far to be sorted out behind closed doors as innocent parties may be tainted pity it’s taken so long to come to the fore and needed a so called connected name to be brought out into the open but it needs sorted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 It's so blatantly obvious who is who here. Seriously, sort it out behind closed doors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, acef said: It's so blatantly obvious who is who here. Seriously, sort it out behind closed doors. It’s bloody ridiculous when you know who bought it to public attention too. Trying to get sympathy then more and more stuff comes to light. Laughable, and probably won’t end well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jonny the spud said: It’s bloody ridiculous when you know who bought it to public attention too. Trying to get sympathy then more and more stuff comes to light. Laughable, and probably won’t end well. There is a lot of noise. Honestly I expect it'll go away when they eventually decide to sit down together and behave like grown ups and deal with it. A really nice summary though, of the absolute mess that British Speedway currently is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted May 28, 2019 Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 11:09 AM, GreenLightGo said: I don’t think you get it at all. The #amow is putting the laddie down isn’t it? Apologies if I don’t act as your researcher - have a look yourself. In the topic of the ‘formal introduction’ you keep referring to it in a work context - it isn’t. It’s a glorified hobby isn’t it?! Let’s not kid ourselves it’s anything more. I can’t imagine anyone’s making money at all. it looks like we’ll have to agree to disagree Ian. You think you are entirely blameless and it was a huge misunderstanding. Not much point in debating any further. Thanks Bob I posted before asking how Taylor was being bullied and looked up the amow reference as you suggested. I didn't get anywhere other than finding tweets by 2 photographers but no mention of Taylor. Having read more posts is the problem that a group of photographers are making it clear that all there photos are all my own work whilst suggesting that Phil lanning is responsible for some of Taylors. If this is true how is that bullying. And how can people including me say they love Taylors work when it might be Phil that took the photo. Have to agree this could have been dealt with better and also feel that Ian Adams posts have helped me understand what is going on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted May 28, 2019 Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 Think several riders are going to come out of this looking pretty stupid pinning their flags to the mast on twitter without even considering that there may be two sides to any story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted May 28, 2019 Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 FWIW and whilst I will never condone bullying, I can absolutely understand the frustration of some of the established photographers. Taylor seems like a great kid, but his name has got him into places others wouldn’t. Lanning is the name it seems matters when it comes to media publications for the sport and they have a decent relationship with Pearson, the man who counts in that respect. Does that seem like a bit of a clique, yes I think it does and I would be overly impressed with it. From what I’ve seen so far, it doesn’t look like bullying to me. Like I said I’d never condone actual bullying but I don’t think that is what is happening here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted May 28, 2019 Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 And what about what has happened to the Berwick lass whose surname isn’t Lanning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lioness said: 8 hours ago, Lioness said: And what about what has happened to the Berwick lass whose surname isn’t Lanning? Presumably she has acted maturely and dealt with the matter privately. Edited May 29, 2019 by SharpenRake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 Unlike those who have made life difficult for her and tried to edge her out you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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