Wolves v kings Lynn Premiership 13/5

[Daniel Smith]

33 minutes ago, semion said:

If Robert Lambert was riding substandard equipment to save costs in the UK, surely that is false economy?  He needs to score points to earn money.  So how would that be of benefit to him not investing in his gear for the UK ?

Have a word with yaselfs guys 

Depends on his pay structure for 2019.

He's more popular and sort after with each season and a certain No1 in the UK right now. 

If his points wage demand is up by a 3rd he can earn almost the same as last year on a just over 7 average. Thus meaning, use last year's equipment and he'll end 2019 with a bigger profit margin than 2018.

It's just standard business. 

[sommelier]

7 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Not you, Mr Webb. It was forum bingo with him fawning over Rory and criticising Robert. People who were there have said it was a tough track to pass on so it’s not rocket science why their scores were so different and it’s nothing to do with effort or commitment. 

I can’t believe a young rider with the world at his feet with so much to race for and achieve this season would scrimp on kit anywhere. Too easy to blame machinery, he’s not quite on it yet especially his gating and his scores reflect that. If it were his bikes it’s more likely to be a change to try and go faster which isn’t working. 

Had a long chat with Roberts mechanic at Belle Vue, very open to talk, said that Lambert is so stiff on the bike & nothing flowing, said nothing wrong with equipment, but he will just not listen to people around him!

[foreverblue]

7 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Again, never said his equipment is substandard as such, just the same as last year as it went so well. He's saved money by cutting investment in UK Speedway. Why wouldn't or shouldn't he? To be a No1 in the UK you don't require anywhere near the investment you need for the likes of Poland, Sweden and the SGP's. 

People are extremely delusional if you think top rider's spend big bucks in the UK. 

I very much doubt he is using the same equipment as last year but you have a point that he probably doesn't need to spend big bucks to beat most riders in this league, i expect most top riders keep their best bikes for the gp series but this was about his performance at Monmore. 

[g13webb]

8 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Not you, Mr Webb. It was forum bingo with him fawning over Rory and criticising Robert. People who were there have said it was a tough track to pass on so it’s not rocket science why their scores were so different and it’s nothing to do with effort or commitment. 

I can’t believe a young rider with the world at his feet with so much to race for and achieve this season would scrimp on kit anywhere. Too easy to blame machinery, he’s not quite on it yet especially his gating and his scores reflect that. If it were his bikes it’s more likely to be a change to try and go faster which isn’t working. 

 As per usual you are only reading into comment of what you want to read.   The truth being  I never mentioned anything about his equipment .  the only word I used was  'application'.,  and you don't need to be a magician to understand that.     Monmore has always favoured the gater,  and I sure all the riders, including Lambert,  knows that as well.   To score reasonable points It is imperative to get out that gate.    When a club has  only  one renown heat leader  it is expected he will lead the way,  so  in that instance  he let the club and the fans down...

Rory on the other hand knew how important it was to gate well and subsequently scored 16 points...       You're right it's not rocket science,   its application....   

5 points  is not good enough....

[sommelier]

9 minutes ago, g13webb said:

 As per usual you are only reading into comment of what you want to read.   The truth being  I never mentioned anything about his equipment .  the only word I used was  'application'.,  and you don't need to be a magician to understand that.     Monmore has always favoured the gater,  and I sure all the riders, including Lambert,  knows that as well.   To score reasonable points It is imperative to get out that gate.    When a club has  only  one renown heat leader  it is expected he will lead the way,  so  in that instance  he let the club and the fans down...

Rory on the other hand knew how important it was to gate well and subsequently scored 16 points...       You're right it's not rocket science,   its application....   

5 points  is not good enough....

Wolves as Favoured the gater, nope, watched speedway at Wolves from 1968, far from a trap & go in general!

[semion]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

Depends on his pay structure for 2019.

He's more popular and sort after with each season and a certain No1 in the UK right now. 

If his points wage demand is up by a 3rd he can earn almost the same as last year on a just over 7 average. Thus meaning, use last year's equipment and he'll end 2019 with a bigger profit margin than 2018.

It's just standard business. 

IF and I would suggest it’s a big IF his pay structure was up by 33% then surely he would be looking to earn more dosh, not the same.  Wouldn’t you grab at a payrise of that magnitude?

[mikebv]

36 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

I very much doubt he is using the same equipment as last year but you have a point that he probably doesn't need to spend big bucks to beat most riders in this league, i expect most top riders keep their best bikes for the gp series but this was about his performance at Monmore. 

I seem to recall a fair few times now that riders who are maybe struggling, or have reached the play offs with their teams, have often been quoted as saying that they are bringing an engine over from Poland....

That would suggest they know where their best kit is...

And no one can really blame them...

If I was self employed and could earn up to ten times more money fulfilling one contract than another, I know which job I would ensure got my most focus and best equipment...

[tellboy]

39 minutes ago, semion said:

IF and I would suggest it’s a big IF his pay structure was up by 33% then surely he would be looking to earn more dosh, not the same.  Wouldn’t you grab at a payrise of that magnitude?

I can't quite believe Danny would think Buster would pay an extra 33%.He must be delusional to think that he would get anywhere near that figure.

[mrss]

Never mind worrying about Lamberts score, people should be more concerned with Eric Riss and his lack of points.

[BWitcher]

6 hours ago, Lefty said:

Same thoughts here.

The good news is that even with an interval the meeting finished at 21:12 .

Thumbs up to all concerned with achieving this. 

Yet the official facebook feed said this morning they were 'just getting their breath back'. Thought it meant some great racing..

[tellboy]

9 minutes ago, mrss said:

Never mind worrying about Lamberts score, people should be more concerned with Eric Riss and his lack of points.

To be fair to Riss he has done well this season so far.

My concerns in the team so far this season are actually the 2 that done ok in this meeting Kerr and Proctor.But as a team we aren't doing to bad so no panic to change things at the minute in my opinion.

[iwright71]

12 hours ago, stevebrum said:

Wolverhampton is known for having passing lines so not strictly true, although last night has been described by some as having not much passing.

Unfortunately all the passing lines seem to be up the inside only

[iwright71]

3 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Yet the official facebook feed said this morning they were 'just getting their breath back'. Thought it meant some great racing..

There are some out there who would like to have you believe it is still a great product regardless .  Those with eyes last night could tell you it wasn't

Edited May 14, 2019 by iwright71

[stevebrum]

11 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Funny how he has gone from being so desperate to return he supposedly concealed his injury... to now not wanting to return.

Spin Spin Spin.

 

All a very odd situation.

8 minutes ago, iwright71 said:

Unfortunately all the passing lines seem to be up the inside only

And outside passes off 2nd and 4th bend. Passes usually are inside or outside. 

[g13webb]

13 hours ago, sommelier said:

Wolves as Favoured the gater, nope, watched speedway at Wolves from 1968, far from a trap & go in general!

Having watched speedway for more years than I care to remember, I can assure you Wolves is a trick track that give massive advantage to the accomplished rider.  Inexperience riders fail to understand the long straight and tight bends.   An accomplished rider will make the gate and ride the line.  Only when he makes a mistake, will his advantage be challenged.

I have watched many races from Wolves and when someone comes from the back its usually because the rider in front has drifted out too far or made a mistake..    When I said that Wolves track favours the gater,  it means once you are in front the ball is in your court...   I have seen home specialists like Woffy and Freddie struggle when behind,   thus illustrating the difficulty when missing the gate.  

 

 

[Sidney the robin]

22 minutes ago, g13webb said:

Having watched speedway for more years than I care to remember, I can assure you Wolves is a trick track that give massive advantage to the accomplished rider.  Inexperience riders fail to understand the long straight and tight bends.   An accomplished rider will make the gate and ride the line.  Only when he makes a mistake, will his advantage be challenged.

I have watched many races from Wolves and when someone comes from the back its usually because the rider in front has drifted out too far or made a mistake..    When I said that Wolves track favours the gater,  it means once you are in front the ball is in your court...   I have seen home specialists like Woffy and Freddie struggle when behind,   thus illustrating the difficulty when missing the gate.  

 

 

The old Wolves track was a wee bit different would you class Wolves the same as Eastie and Lakeside Webby.??? 

[stevebrum]

1 hour ago, g13webb said:

Having watched speedway for more years than I care to remember, I can assure you Wolves is a trick track that give massive advantage to the accomplished rider.  Inexperience riders fail to understand the long straight and tight bends.   An accomplished rider will make the gate and ride the line.  Only when he makes a mistake, will his advantage be challenged.

I have watched many races from Wolves and when someone comes from the back its usually because the rider in front has drifted out too far or made a mistake..    When I said that Wolves track favours the gater,  it means once you are in front the ball is in your court...   I have seen home specialists like Woffy and Freddie struggle when behind,   thus illustrating the difficulty when missing the gate.  

 

 

Sorry have to disagree, when prepared right there is plenty of opportunities to pass at Monmore with several lines to explore, it might not have been that way in the past few seasons but often that way when Doc was preparing the track.

Monmore favours the technical rider who often will be able to pass on those favoured lines.

[BWitcher]

2 hours ago, g13webb said:

Having watched speedway for more years than I care to remember, I can assure you Wolves is a trick track that give massive advantage to the accomplished rider.  Inexperience riders fail to understand the long straight and tight bends.   An accomplished rider will make the gate and ride the line.  Only when he makes a mistake, will his advantage be challenged.

I have watched many races from Wolves and when someone comes from the back its usually because the rider in front has drifted out too far or made a mistake..    When I said that Wolves track favours the gater,  it means once you are in front the ball is in your court...   I have seen home specialists like Woffy and Freddie struggle when behind,   thus illustrating the difficulty when missing the gate.  

 

 

Yeah Lindgren struggled from the back clocking up 10+ home averages whilst missing the gate in half his races.

You couldn't have chosen a worse example.

[foreverblue]

13 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Yeah Lindgren struggled from the back clocking up 10+ home averages whilst missing the gate in half his races.

You couldn't have chosen a worse example.

Not forgetting the Karlsson corridor.

[Aces51]

I've attended many meetings at Wolves over many years.  It can provide good racing. Passing on the outside does happen but the overwhelming number of passes occur on the inside coming out of bends 2 and 4. The track is prepared to provide extra grip coming out of those bends. 

Understandably, the home riders become more familiar with the track and can often be seen taking advantage of those lines, whereas away riders can often be seen taking too wide a line or drifting too wide. Obviously, there are track specialists who don't ride for Wolves, who know exactly how to ride the track and top riders who can quickly adapt to most tracks. However,  many riders today have relatively little consistent experience of racing on tight technical tracks and 2 or 3 visits to Wolves each year doesn't give them sufficient opportunity to master it. Time and time again I have watched decent riders lose out to Wolves riders taking advantage of the grip coming out of the bends but seemingly unable to adapt to take advantage of it themselves.

To be clear, there's nothing wrong with the track or the way it is prepared. Every team tries to create a track that gives home advantage but it is less apparent and advantageous for those tracks that are within the more usual parameters for size and  shape.

Wolverhampton has always  been a track I enjoy visiting because of the racing but I concur with others, that it is no longer prepared as it was in the Doc Bridgett days and that the level of entertainment has suffered as a consequence.