Newcastle vs Glasgow 05/05/19 SGB Championship Shield. 6.30pm

[Weeyin]

1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

Honestly

I hoped you mopped it up... or if that's all it takes to get you an George canned it was a cheap night... good craic and enjoyed the company... apart from George coming back wid a cider instead of a bitter...  yuk...  nice to chat with wee Dorothy as well... good meeting although we lost and how costly were Stevie Worrall's engine gremlins in Heat 13.... never mind could have been oh so different... Oh and just to add I find it hard to believe when you told me that Gazc has such gender issues as he comes across so manly in his posts... he must have been the first publican ever in Glasgow to wear a frock... brave man... xxx

Regards 

THJ  

Was nice to meet you too THJ , I take back my slagging you off on the Worky page last season, you're not a bad bloke really 

[jackofdiamonds]

Jedd List looking very fast after the meeting, albeit racing alone. I would try and fit him in if we can.

[leander]

17 hours ago, Cerro said:

Great win for the boys tonight, not often you get an away win when your reserves don't beat a single opponent.. 

On another note, whats the script regarding the best 2nd place team advancing to the semi finals in the CS.. Obviously the teams in the Southern group are at a disadvantage since they have 2 less meetings compared to the other groups.. So how is it calcuated?

 

 

It's calculated on an average basis of points per meeting or something like that. That actually gives the three team group a slight advantage as each meeting is worth more percentage-wise. Glasgow need two points from their outstanding fixture (14/6 = 2.33) to have a better record than Somerset (9/4 = 2.25). 1 point is not enough (13/6 = 2.16). Berwick have qualified irrespective of whether they finish first or second in the group.

[leander]

52 minutes ago, jackofdiamonds said:

Jedd List looking very fast after the meeting, albeit racing alone. I would try and fit him in if we can.

He would fit at the expense of Simon, but he would be in the main body of the team.

[Cerro]

16 minutes ago, leander said:

It's calculated on an average basis of points per meeting or something like that. That actually gives the three team group a slight advantage as each meeting is worth more percentage-wise. Glasgow need two points from their outstanding fixture (14/6 = 2.33) to have a better record than Somerset (9/4 = 2.25). 1 point is not enough (13/6 = 2.16). Berwick have qualified irrespective of whether they finish first or second in the group.

Its not like speedway to make anything easy is it 

[crescent girl]

2 minutes ago, Cerro said:

Its not like speedway to make anything easy is it 

It is hardly the BSPA's fault that Workington dropped out, and left the groups imbalanced.  The calculations that provide 'best runner-up' are pretty fair.

 

[Cerro]

2 minutes ago, crescent girl said:

It is hardly the BSPA's fault that Workington dropped out, and left the groups imbalanced.  The calculations that provide 'best runner-up' are pretty fair.

 

They are absolutely fair not disputing that. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Cerro

[Gazc]

29 minutes ago, crescent girl said:

It is hardly the BSPA's fault that Workington dropped out, and left the groups imbalanced.  The calculations that provide 'best runner-up' are pretty fair.

 

There post wasn't blaming anyone just pointing out that they don't do it the easy way.

[ruffdiamond]

37 minutes ago, Gazc said:

There post wasn't blaming anyone just pointing out that they don't do it the easy way.

Now, that would be silly.

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

26 minutes ago, Gazc said:

There post wasn't blaming anyone just pointing out that they don't do it the easy way.

What is the easy way? It’s a group stage of a tournament with 11 teams in it?

[Uluru]

2 hours ago, jackofdiamonds said:

Jedd List looking very fast after the meeting, albeit racing alone. I would try and fit him in if we can.

I been telling you guys that for a fortnight.

Get him in!

[Dandelion]

16 minutes ago, Uluru said:

I been telling you guys that for a fortnight.

Get him in!

We're just waiting for someone else to snap him up... And then be like "there's no one available" that's what we usually do... No offence to Simon but there's nothing to lose... I like Simon but brough is not his track at all

[leander]

43 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

What is the easy way? It’s a group stage of a tournament with 11 teams in it?

Two groups. North and south. Top two from each qualify for semi's. With Workington dropping out that would of resulted with the group of 5 having EXACTLY the same number of fixtures they would have had before Workington withdrew. The group of 6 would have had one extra fixture to fit in during the season. It's not like everyone has 20 fixtures to fit in during the season. This season we've started later and next week sees our 2nd blank week in 8!

[ruffdiamond]

19 minutes ago, leander said:

Two groups. North and south. Top two from each qualify for semi's. With Workington dropping out that would of resulted with the group of 5 having EXACTLY the same number of fixtures they would have had before Workington withdrew. The group of 6 would have had one extra fixture to fit in during the season. It's not like everyone has 20 fixtures to fit in during the season. This season we've started later and next week sees our 2nd blank week in 8!

and we've never had a rain-off yet !!!

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

39 minutes ago, leander said:

Two groups. North and south. Top two from each qualify for semi's. With Workington dropping out that would of resulted with the group of 5 having EXACTLY the same number of fixtures they would have had before Workington withdrew. The group of 6 would have had one extra fixture to fit in during the season. It's not like everyone has 20 fixtures to fit in during the season. This season we've started later and next week sees our 2nd blank week in 8!

How would it be the same number of meetings? Surely Somerset in a group of 3 having 4 meetings finding themselves in a group of 6 having 10 meetings is more than 1 extra meeting?

[leander]

3 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

How would it be the same number of meetings? Surely Somerset in a group of 3 having 4 meetings finding themselves in a group of 6 having 10 meetings is more than 1 extra meeting?

Same number of meetings as BEFORE Workington withdrew. Glasgow, Edinburgh, and Berwick all lost 2 home meetings (before Shield groups were reorganised) when Workington withdrew ( 1 Shield, 1 League). Somerset were originally in a group of four so they had 3 shield + 11 league = 14. They have actually lost two meetings 1 each in the Shield and one in the league. If they were in the group of five they would have the same number 4 shield + 10 league = 14, if they were in the group of six they would gain 1 as per 5 Shield+ 10 league = 15. Now they have 2 shield + 10 league =12. That's home meetings, same applies  to away fixtures, so they are 4 down overall home and away. 

[Paulco]

Let's just go and win at Armadale and let others worry about the maths 

[SharpenRake]

19 hours ago, leander said:

It's calculated on an average basis of points per meeting or something like that. That actually gives the three team group a slight advantage as each meeting is worth more percentage-wise. Glasgow need two points from their outstanding fixture (14/6 = 2.33) to have a better record than Somerset (9/4 = 2.25). 1 point is not enough (13/6 = 2.16). Berwick have qualified irrespective of whether they finish first or second in the group.

Another way of looking at it is that the Edinburgh v tigers rain off could delay the rest of the competition. We all know what happened last year.its not Glasgow fault that the Edinburgh match was rained off so Glasgow should not suffer if the bspa bring in a deadline for the match to be completed. Somerset average 2.25 from there 4 meetings and Glasgow are averaging 2.4 from there 5 meetings. So if Edinburgh can't fit the match in or it gets rained off again Glasgow should be included as the best runner up

[ruffdiamond]

19 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

Another way of looking at it is that the Edinburgh v tigers rain off could delay the rest of the competition. We all know what happened last year.its not Glasgow fault that the Edinburgh match was rained off so Glasgow should not suffer if the bspa bring in a deadline for the match to be completed. Somerset average 2.25 from there 4 meetings and Glasgow are averaging 2.4 from there 5 meetings. So if Edinburgh can't fit the match in or it gets rained off again Glasgow should be included as the best runner up

Now, your just trying to complicate things

[leander]

6 hours ago, SharpenRake said:

Another way of looking at it is that the Edinburgh v tigers rain off could delay the rest of the competition. We all know what happened last year.its not Glasgow fault that the Edinburgh match was rained off so Glasgow should not suffer if the bspa bring in a deadline for the match to be completed. Somerset average 2.25 from there 4 meetings and Glasgow are averaging 2.4 from there 5 meetings. So if Edinburgh can't fit the match in or it gets rained off again Glasgow should be included as the best runner up

Friday 14 June is a blank/reserved date for both clubs so that would seem to be the obvious solution. Alternatively Glasgow are due at Edinburgh in the league on 28th June, so that could be switched to Shield fixture or run a double header on that date.